Meeting Minutes for 7 May 2006

May 07 21:01:32 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order.
May 07 21:01:51 BobJensen    http://mirror.fedoraunity.org/5/i386/livna/
May 07 21:03:27 daMaestro    sweet
May 07 21:03:39 Southern_Gentlem    http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list/
May 07 21:04:03 Sonar_Gal    unless there is anything else that needs to be discussed
May 07 21:04:20 daMaestro    yeah.. i would like to add something that we can do at the end
May 07 21:04:44 Sonar_Gal    ok daMaestro I will note that
May 07 21:04:54 Sonar_Gal    PRIORITY 1 TASKS:
May 07 21:05:33 Sonar_Gal    #1  # FedoraSearch.Org  discuss wieghting for the index.
May 07 21:05:33 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-07
May 07 21:05:33 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 07 21:05:42 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:05:50 *    BobJensen points at daMaestro
May 07 21:05:52 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:06:29 Southern_Gentlem    ask that daMaestro  post a link to the current weighting list
May 07 21:06:32 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:08:10 BobJensen    daMaestro: ping
May 07 21:08:41 daMaestro    http://pastebin.com/704542
May 07 21:08:43 BobJensen    Push this to #10 for now, we need Jon's report on this
May 07 21:08:46 BobJensen    OOps
May 07 21:08:51 BobJensen    never mind
May 07 21:08:52 daMaestro    sorry... slow laptop
May 07 21:09:03 daMaestro    even with fluxbox FF takes a while to come up
May 07 21:09:10 daMaestro    so I had to switch to dillo
May 07 21:09:23 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:09:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:10:01 BobJensen    Well if you used a paste site with out all the flipping google ads it might come up quicker
May 07 21:10:04 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:10:08 daMaestro    lol
May 07 21:10:16 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:10:27 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:10:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:10:44 daMaestro    maybe we should setup our own pastebin.. the source has been released afaik
May 07 21:10:46 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:10:48 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 07 21:10:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:11:13 Southern_Gentlem    ask that daMaestro  explain the weighting system please
May 07 21:11:16 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:11:26 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:11:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:12:25 Southern_Gentlem    i think he is typing
May 07 21:12:37 *    Southern_Gentlem hopes he is anyway
May 07 21:12:38 BobJensen    I hope
May 07 21:12:42 BobJensen    LOL
May 07 21:12:42 daMaestro    the "Goo" rank that we use now takes the links for a given "server" (site) and counts how many times the url is linked to on other sites.. the weight is then added in and divided by the total number of urls on the "server"
May 07 21:13:10 daMaestro    and this gives us the rank
May 07 21:13:25 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 07 21:13:53 Southern_Gentlem    explain serverweight 50 30 20 etc please
May 07 21:14:12 daMaestro    http://dataparksearch.org/dpsearch-rel.en.html#poprank
May 07 21:14:32 daMaestro    the serverweight is the amount to add to the calculation to help move the ranks around
May 07 21:15:28 daMaestro    I am running a rank calc right now.. as it didn't seem to do the calculations after writing the data in the last round
May 07 21:16:03 Southern_Gentlem    did we need to change anything as it stands now
May 07 21:16:14 Southern_Gentlem    do
May 07 21:16:15 daMaestro    i think what we have now is good
May 07 21:16:25 daMaestro    but we will see after this next calc is done
May 07 21:16:37 daMaestro    we can move on untill it finishes
May 07 21:17:05 *    Southern_Gentlem motions to keep the ranking we have now and review the ranking in a month
May 07 21:17:13 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:17:17 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:17:18 BobJensen    +1
May 07 21:17:23 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 07 21:17:30 daMaestro    and as a side note.. i think the source for the pastebin.com site is been released GPL.. so we should maybe add a "fedora" pastebin for the #fedora channel
May 07 21:17:33 daMaestro    +0
May 07 21:17:50 daMaestro    the ranking is going to be an ongoing test
May 07 21:18:02 *    Southern_Gentlem points daMaestro to http://rafb.net/paste/
May 07 21:18:04 BobJensen    ?
May 07 21:18:06 daMaestro    i would have to say it is not working correctly as of the current moment
May 07 21:18:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:18:30 BobJensen    Are we tracking what is being searched for at this time and if not can we?
May 07 21:18:35 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:18:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:18:43 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:18:52 daMaestro    yes... we can use syslog
May 07 21:18:54 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:18:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:19:00 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:19:09 BobJensen    I think this would give a good feel for what people want so we can work on related items
May 07 21:19:15 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:19:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:19:19 daMaestro    we can also use apache logs..
May 07 21:19:20 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:19:31 BobJensen    ?
May 07 21:19:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:19:47 BobJensen    Oh how hard will it to be to get us some raw data?
May 07 21:19:53 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:19:56 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:20:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:20:22 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:20:36 daMaestro    the data is in a standard apache logfile.. and we can also pipe the searchD and cacheD request logs to a specific log using syslog
May 07 21:20:50 *    Southern_Gentlem ask if this is still on topic
May 07 21:20:56 daMaestro    I have seperated the search system logs on the frontend
May 07 21:21:30 daMaestro    so the logs for apache requests are on unity01 and the searchD/cacheD is on unity03
May 07 21:21:49 daMaestro    search/cached logs
May 07 21:21:52 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:21:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Bob
May 07 21:21:56 BobJensen    We have spent 20 minutes on this item, should we move on for now and talk about this idea post-meeting?
May 07 21:21:59 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:22:22 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:22:27 daMaestro    +1
May 07 21:22:28 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:22:33 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 07 21:22:40 Sonar_Gal    #2  # Discuss options for aquiring hardware to support the respins for FC5.
May 07 21:22:41 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-07
May 07 21:22:41 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 07 21:22:41 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:  To spin ISOs we need to be running the "target OS". One option is sell servers Unity04 and Unity06, and use the proceeds to get a 64Bit machine that will allow for 64Bit guests.  This hardware would be our build mirror,  it would have all our files for respins and packaging locally. It would then host some VMs, FC5i386 FC5x86_64, we would retain Unity05 for PPC. We could then test the ISOs on the build machine o
May 07 21:22:43 Sonar_Gal    n the spot.
May 07 21:23:12 *    Southern_Gentlem motions we put a task for next meeting about the raw data
May 07 21:23:18 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:23:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Bob
May 07 21:23:50 BobJensen    This is nt goig to be as cheap of a solution as I first hoped
May 07 21:23:59 daMaestro    amd64!
May 07 21:24:01 daMaestro    lol
May 07 21:24:09 rjune    !
May 07 21:24:25 BobJensen    I am still working on a quote to make tis happen, will have a cost next week.
May 07 21:24:27 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:24:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
May 07 21:24:37 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:25:01 rjune    can a 64bit OS be used tro run vmware in 32bit mode as well?
May 07 21:25:09 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:25:11 rjune    so the one box could handle both?
May 07 21:25:14 rjune    EOF?
May 07 21:25:16 rjune    EOF
May 07 21:25:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:25:25 daMaestro    rjune, yes.
May 07 21:25:28 BobJensen    rjune: Yes
May 07 21:25:48 daMaestro    i built my amd64 system with 1G DDR for about $300 and this was over a year ago
May 07 21:26:09 daMaestro    1.8GHz amd64
May 07 21:26:10 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:26:12 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:27:00 BobJensen    rjune: the plan is to run 4 VMs, FC5 i386 and x86_64 and both arch for FC6
May 07 21:27:23 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:27:23 BobJensen    we need to have more than one gig of ram for this
May 07 21:27:30 BobJensen    more list 4
May 07 21:27:43 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:27:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:28:01 daMaestro    vmware server is still not built for x86_64; eof
May 07 21:28:08 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:28:18 *    daMaestro still is not able to run vmware server on his main machine
May 07 21:28:23 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:28:27 BobJensen    It works fine installing the i386 rpm
May 07 21:28:38 daMaestro    ok.. well i look forward to your howto
May 07 21:28:45 BobJensen    I tested this on Friday on a loaner machine
May 07 21:28:50 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:28:54 daMaestro    even the new release doesn't work for me
May 07 21:28:57 daMaestro    but off topic.
May 07 21:29:04 Sonar_Gal    yup
May 07 21:29:05 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:29:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Bob
May 07 21:29:14 BobJensen    It could be your AMD proc
May 07 21:29:17 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:29:27 *    BobJensen elbows intelinsider
May 07 21:29:35 daMaestro    could be a couple of things..
May 07 21:29:40 Sonar_Gal    ok so set this as a task to be reviewed next Sunday
May 07 21:29:46 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:29:46 daMaestro    doubt it is my amd64... but moving on ..
May 07 21:29:49 *    Southern_Gentlem thinks its a PEBCAK error
May 07 21:29:53 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Bob
May 07 21:29:58 *    daMaestro pushes BobJensen back to his intel shop
May 07 21:30:11 BobJensen    does this sound like a practical idea to everyone?
May 07 21:30:16 daMaestro    +1
May 07 21:30:17 Southern_Gentlem    yes
May 07 21:30:20 Southern_Gentlem    1
May 07 21:30:26 Southern_Gentlem    +
May 07 21:30:26 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:30:31 BobJensen    K
May 07 21:30:35 *    Sonar_Guy shows all at this meeting http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines  Please follow the guidelines to keep the meeting moving!!
May 07 21:30:40 BobJensen    then I will go on with my research
May 07 21:30:47 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:30:51 BobJensen    NEXT!
May 07 21:31:07 Sonar_Gal    Bob maybe you want to stay on #2
May 07 21:31:12 Sonar_Gal    #3 # Create a CVS/SVN mailing list.
May 07 21:31:12 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 07 21:31:12 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 07 21:31:12 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: No More Pushes.
May 07 21:31:18 BobJensen    Item 3 Push no update
May 07 21:31:27 BobJensen    will be done
May 07 21:31:30 Sonar_Gal    ok
May 07 21:31:30 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:31:46 Sonar_Gal    #4  # FedoraSearch.Org online for 2006-MAY-03
May 07 21:31:46 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-03
May 07 21:31:46 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 07 21:31:46 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Fedorasearch.org machine one has been installed, it is going clone for the indexing machine. The IP space has been allocated, the RAM is now in the server available for DaMaestro to do his thing.
May 07 21:31:51 BobJensen    DONE!
May 07 21:31:58 BobJensen    NEXT!
May 07 21:32:02 rjune    !
May 07 21:32:09 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
May 07 21:32:20 rjune    I move that BobJensen is way too excited, and needs tranquilizers.
May 07 21:32:23 rjune    EOF
May 07 21:32:34 Sonar_Gal    #5 # Discuss adding metadata and Updating license agreement on each post and on all Fedora Unity Websites.  Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this. Generate a submission process that would allow for the site to e-mail the members of the Content Team when a new post is submitted for review.
May 07 21:32:34 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUN-01
May 07 21:32:34 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Content Team
May 07 21:32:34 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
May 07 21:32:43 BobJensen    ?
May 07 21:32:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:33:01 BobJensen    Has anyone else been working on this? Just a show of hands
May 07 21:33:10 daMaestro    +0
May 07 21:33:14 Southern_Gentlem    _0
May 07 21:33:21 Sonar_Guy    +1, I did the how-to post!
May 07 21:33:28 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:33:51 BobJensen    OK I will start a wholesale clean up starting on 64 and mobile moving to solved
May 07 21:33:59 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:34:03 daMaestro    oh sorry.
May 07 21:34:04 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:34:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:34:17 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:34:20 *    Sonar_Guy shows the preliminary post http://fedorasolved.org/posting-how-to
May 07 21:34:33 daMaestro    i found a way to add to the workflow to email after a submit and so on
May 07 21:34:40 daMaestro    so this can be done
May 07 21:34:42 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:34:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:34:52 BobJensen    My point is if anyone wants to start on the solved site that is cool. EOF
May 07 21:35:11 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:35:27 Southern_Gentlem    ?really dont understand what we should be doing here
May 07 21:35:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:35:33 Sonar_Guy    I think we need to do this first:  Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this.
May 07 21:35:37 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:35:46 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:35:52 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:36:16 BobJensen    I will create this as I work through the 64 and mobile sites so the time I get there we have a base idea
May 07 21:36:30 BobJensen    Ummm
May 07 21:36:30 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:36:38 BobJensen    ok I don't make much sense
May 07 21:36:48 BobJensen    I will create this as I work through the 64 and mobile sites so the time I get to solved we have a base idea
May 07 21:36:51 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:36:53 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:36:55 Sonar_Guy    Ok once you get the base meta data formated I will add it to that post.
May 07 21:37:03 BobJensen    +1
May 07 21:37:16 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:37:29 BobJensen    NEXT?
May 07 21:37:42 Southern_Gentlem    ?really dont understand what we should be doing here
May 07 21:37:48 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:37:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:38:22 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:38:28 Sonar_Guy    Southern_Gentlem: we need to get meta data in the posts to be picked up by the search engine.  Currently, I do not believe any of the post have any meta data included.
May 07 21:38:31 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:38:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:38:39 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: I will produce screenshots as I go so it is clear to everyone
May 07 21:38:42 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:38:46 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 07 21:38:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:39:04 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:39:40 Southern_Gentlem    shouldnt the metadata be getting genrated on the index.html for each site instead of each post
May 07 21:39:40 BobJensen    I move that we use Wednesday to do some "posting training" when we would normally brain storm
May 07 21:39:46 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:39:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:40:00 Sonar_Gal    ok
May 07 21:40:03 BobJensen    I move that we use Wednesday to do some "posting training" when we would normally brain storm
May 07 21:40:15 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:40:20 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:40:49 BobJensen    Misfired there
May 07 21:40:49 BobJensen    Sorry
May 07 21:40:49 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:41:11 Sonar_Gal    #6  # Index sites scattered through fedoraforum.org Links forum and add them to the FedoraUnity.Org site as applicable.
May 07 21:41:11 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-01
May 07 21:41:11 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Pending Assignment
May 07 21:41:11 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
May 07 21:41:31 daMaestro    Southern_Gentlem, each post can have its own metadata.. and should have relavent metadata (for things like related documents, searching, etc)
May 07 21:41:34 BobJensen    ?
May 07 21:41:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:42:34 BobJensen    Anyone willing to take ownership of this?
May 07 21:42:34 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:42:34 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:42:38 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:42:47 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:42:52 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:42:53 BobJensen    I hate forums or I would do it
May 07 21:42:55 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:42:57 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:43:19 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:43:36 Sonar_Guy    I will see what I can do, there is a bunch of good server related posts in Fedora Forum.org That I would like to see posted here.
May 07 21:43:38 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:43:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:44:14 Southern_Gentlem    i think we need to wait till we get fedorasearch working the way we like it before adding more
May 07 21:44:22 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:44:34 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:44:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:45:11 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:45:25 Sonar_Guy    This is more of a manual thing, this task has been around since before the search was conceived.  It was a wish list project.
May 07 21:45:29 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:45:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:45:36 BobJensen    If FedoraSearch.org works or not we still want the content here
May 07 21:45:42 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:45:59 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:46:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:46:51 Southern_Gentlem    i think that if the search works we will have the content at that point
May 07 21:47:00 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:47:05 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:47:12 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:47:21 *    Southern_Gentlem makes motion we table this for a month
May 07 21:47:29 Southern_Gentlem    hey now i wasnt done
May 07 21:47:38 BobJensen    no we will not have the content, the users will have to wade through a flipping forum of broken up instructions guessing what parts they want
May 07 21:47:56 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:47:58 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:48:02 BobJensen    this is not a solution
May 07 21:48:05 Sonar_Gal    Southern_Gentlem, the problem is we haven't had the manpower to complete this task.
May 07 21:48:07 BobJensen    this is a pain i the ass
May 07 21:48:09 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:48:13 Sonar_Gal    it needs to be started now
May 07 21:48:30 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:48:32 Sonar_Guy    Alot of the data is there in the forum, but is not easily understood or written properly for a new user to follow. A lot of the steps are vague and not complete.
May 07 21:48:34 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:48:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:48:53 BobJensen    -1 to the motion
May 07 21:49:11 Sonar_Gal    -1
May 07 21:49:24 Sonar_Guy    -1
May 07 21:49:32 Southern_Gentlem    so the idea is for us to go thru  the forums and rewrite them here??
May 07 21:49:39 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:49:42 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 21:49:53 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:49:57 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:50:13 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:50:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:50:34 BobJensen    +1
May 07 21:50:34 BobJensen    Remeber this was originally a hope to get contributors form fedoraforum.org to work with us o more structured docs
May 07 21:50:47 *    sankarshan (n=sankarsh@202.149.56.110) has joined #fedora-unity
May 07 21:51:00 BobJensen    Remeber this was originally a hope to get contributors from fedoraforum.org to work with us for more structured docs
May 07 21:51:04 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:51:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:51:37 Sonar_Guy    We are not talking about the rewriting all the post only the ones that are useful and beneficial to the fedora project, setting up servers, workstations, and the such.  Not all the data there!!
May 07 21:51:39 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:51:56 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 21:52:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 21:52:26 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:52:27 Sonar_Guy    I think this would tie in well with using the search engine requests and help see what information users are searching for.
May 07 21:52:29 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 21:52:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:53:05 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: rather than re-write them ourselves we invite the forum users to join us to write them
May 07 21:53:21 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 21:53:26 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:53:36 BobJensen    we then just edit
May 07 21:53:36 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:53:45 daMaestro    ! off topic; however related to successfully completing this item
May 07 21:53:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:54:09 Sonar_Gal    daMaestro, this is not off topic in the least
May 07 21:54:35 *    BobJensen notes the time
May 07 21:54:40 Southern_Gentlem    so if anyone sees a post in tmhe forum contact the author and invite the the
May 07 21:54:48 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:54:50 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: +1
May 07 21:55:00 Sonar_Guy    Southern_Gentlem: +1
May 07 21:55:05 Sonar_Gal    Southern_Gentlem, +1
May 07 21:55:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 21:55:17 daMaestro    Sonar_Gal, I have an off topic point
May 07 21:55:21 daMaestro    http://plone.org/products/cmfeditions/
May 07 21:55:32 daMaestro    we need to get this going before we ask people to just jot things down
May 07 21:55:40 daMaestro    eof
May 07 21:55:45 Southern_Gentlem    ? summarize please
May 07 21:55:53 BobJensen    !!!!
May 07 21:56:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 21:56:06 daMaestro    document versioning
May 07 21:56:17 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 21:56:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:56:22 BobJensen    no we need to move on, read it later
May 07 21:56:34 Sonar_Guy    daMaestro: +!
May 07 21:56:37 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 21:56:47 daMaestro    +10billion
May 07 21:56:48 Sonar_Gal    #8 # We need to review our posts and those that can be pushed to the Fedora Wiki FAQ should be moved, then for our purposes linking to the Wiki. This will allow the community to take over the upkeep.
May 07 21:56:48 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 07 21:56:48 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Content Team
May 07 21:56:48 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Please keep in mind  that the data must follow the "content rules" of the FedoraProject.
May 07 21:57:02 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 21:57:03 *    BobJensen notes to daMaestro get it on the list for next week
May 07 21:57:03 *    BobJensen or wednesday
May 07 21:57:22 BobJensen    !
May 07 21:57:22 *    daMaestro notes he is going to setup a test so we can all play with it
May 07 21:57:45 Sonar_Gal    Bob-Laptop, next week Sunday Wednesdays are not for the task list items
May 07 21:58:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 21:58:32 daMaestro    !
May 07 21:58:58 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: this is not an item up for discussion, we need it so we need to get it hapening we need it for licensing
May 07 21:59:25 Sonar_Gal    BobJensen, that's fine do what you need to but please make sure to do a back up
May 07 21:59:31 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: I would like to set a date for this a week from this coming wednesday so we can see what we can move and start making it happen, brain storm the posts and just make a list
May 07 21:59:53 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: we are not to #9 yet
May 07 21:59:57 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:00:09 Sonar_Gal    BobJensen, just remember Scott will not be here that week or the following
May 07 22:00:36 Sonar_Gal    He leaves the 17th
May 07 22:00:41 BobJensen    K
May 07 22:01:39 *    Southern_Gentlem didnt see 7
May 07 22:01:40 Sonar_Gal    ok #8 # We need to review our posts and those that can be pushed to the Fedora Wiki FAQ should be moved, then for our purposes linking to the Wiki. This will allow the community to take over the upkeep.
May 07 22:01:40 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 07 22:01:40 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Content Team
May 07 22:01:40 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Please keep in mind  that the data must follow the "content rules" of the FedoraProject.
May 07 22:02:02 Sonar_Gal    Sorry yes I did
May 07 22:02:07 Sonar_Gal    #7 # Create RESPIN ISOs of FC5 to include all updates to the Core OS every 30 days
May 07 22:02:07 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUN-01
May 07 22:02:07 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Ben Williams
May 07 22:02:07 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: The gobby server is being renamed to "bobthebuilder" for the purpose of respins, it also needs pam_auth_ldap. Currently the mirrors are completey updated twice daily.
May 07 22:02:26 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:02:28 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:02:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:02:32 BobJensen    the respins are going well, we have tested our test batch and they look good. we should be on track for June 1
May 07 22:03:19 BobJensen    I am working on the automation of the tasks so w should hav a good system once we get the new server
May 07 22:03:21 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:03:23 daMaestro    !
May 07 22:03:27 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 22:03:30 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 07 22:03:43 daMaestro    we need to setup TLS or a vpn to get that machine on the ldap auth system
May 07 22:03:49 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:04:17 BobJensen    that is scheduled for my Tuesday tasks
May 07 22:04:23 BobJensen    -!
May 07 22:04:40 daMaestro    i am able to setup TLS to allow ldap accounts to login to my test server so we can all play with the CMFEditions.. there is also another plone product that allows us to use a cvs/svn as a backend!!!!!!!
May 07 22:05:04 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:05:10 *    #fedora-unity :You need to be a channel operator to do that
May 07 22:05:24 daMaestro    so I have already planned to setup TLS for the current FDS so we can login to my test server.. so I don't break the live servers
May 07 22:05:25 daMaestro    eof
May 07 22:05:26 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:05:29 Sonar_Gal    daMaestro, please we are talking about #7 not cvs that was item 1
May 07 22:05:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:06:16 Southern_Gentlem    oh will we have the bandwidth server space to serve these images
May 07 22:06:27 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:06:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:06:34 daMaestro    Sonar_Gal, I am going ot be testing the cvs/svn backend and the CMFeditions on my test server.. and I am setting up TLS to allow ldap accounts to login to my test plone site
May 07 22:06:39 >chanserv<    op #fedora-unity
May 07 22:06:40 *    ChanServ gives channel operator status to Sonar_Guy
May 07 22:06:47 *    Sonar_Guy removes voice from daMaestro
May 07 22:07:03 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 22:07:09 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:07:28 Sonar_Gal    daMaestro, that's fine but please stay on topic we want this meeting done within a reasonable time
May 07 22:07:32 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:08:07 Southern_Gentlem    when someone is devoiced the presiding officer needs to do it
May 07 22:08:10 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:08:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:08:42 Sonar_Gal    This is about it tonight I am getting fed up If we can't stay ontopic I am leaving and the meeting is over
May 07 22:08:50 BobJensen    We need to unstand lag and other things here people many of us think on our feet and sometimes shit has to flow a little
May 07 22:08:52 *    Sonar_Guy gives voice to daMaestro
May 07 22:09:14 BobJensen    RE Bandwith
May 07 22:09:32 *    Sonar_Guy removes channel operator status from Sonar_Guy
May 07 22:09:39 BobJensen    I think if we take turns downloading form the build server and then seed a torrent we will be OK
May 07 22:10:05 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 22:10:06 BobJensen    we can go that way for the first spin anyhow to see how demand is
May 07 22:10:11 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:10:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 22:10:26 Sonar_Guy    Did I not see sombody offer bandwidth in the docs project.
May 07 22:10:28 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 22:10:36 *    BobJensen steps away to pray with the family will return in 5-10
May 07 22:10:41 daMaestro    !
May 07 22:10:51 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 07 22:11:07 daMaestro    lets support torrent seeding over any other form of bandwidth support
May 07 22:11:08 daMaestro    eof
May 07 22:11:17 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:11:39 daMaestro    and i suppose I can setup the tracker tonight
May 07 22:12:02 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:12:11 BobJensen    +1
May 07 22:12:12 BobJensen    +1
May 07 22:12:24 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:12:24 *    BobJensen says only if you have time
May 07 22:12:25 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:12:41 *    Southern_Gentlem next
May 07 22:12:47 *    BobJensen notes we have 3 weeks until delivery
May 07 22:12:53 Sonar_Gal    #8 # We need to review our posts and those that can be pushed to the Fedora Wiki FAQ should be moved, then for our purposes linking to the Wiki. This will allow the community to take over the upkeep.
May 07 22:12:53 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 07 22:12:53 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Content Team
May 07 22:12:53 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Please keep in mind  that the data must follow the "content rules" of the FedoraProject.
May 07 22:12:58 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:13:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:13:08 BobJensen    We talked about this
May 07 22:13:10 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:13:19 Sonar_Gal    #9 # Create back-up of the servers Unity01, Unity02, and Unity03 every sunday after the meeting.
May 07 22:13:19 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 07 22:13:19 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
May 07 22:13:19 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Backup, Backup, Backup!!
May 07 22:13:37 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:13:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:13:44 BobJensen    Yes ma'am
May 07 22:13:46 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:14:04 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:14:04 Sonar_Gal    PRIORITY 2 TASKS:
May 07 22:14:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:14:25 BobJensen    can we add to this and before any major configuration change
May 07 22:14:34 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:14:47 Sonar_Gal    yes that works for me Bob
May 07 22:14:52 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:14:58 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 22:15:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:15:43 Southern_Gentlem    what i suggested after the last crash
May 07 22:15:44 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:15:56 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:16:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:16:01 BobJensen    Yes ma'am
May 07 22:16:03 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:16:11 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 07 22:16:14 BobJensen    LOL
May 07 22:16:33 Sonar_Gal    PRIORITY 2 TASKS:
May 07 22:16:34 Southern_Gentlem    Me next
May 07 22:16:36 BobJensen    ?
May 07 22:16:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:17:15 *    Southern_Gentlem next
May 07 22:17:20 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:17:23 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:17:26 BobJensen    Can we take any added items and skip Priority2 for tonight?
May 07 22:17:31 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:17:46 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 22:17:48 daMaestro    +0
May 07 22:17:55 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:18:15 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:18:18 Sonar_Gal    priority 2 list the 1st 2 items are completed if there are any issues email Sonar_Guy
May 07 22:18:34 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:18:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:18:44 *    Southern_Gentlem makes motion that we see progress on the priorty 2 items and move on
May 07 22:18:51 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:18:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:19:15 BobJensen    I think we can just give a quick "this is what I have been working on or thinking about", priority 2 is less important
May 07 22:19:31 BobJensen    we need new tasks
May 07 22:19:38 BobJensen    as we complete old ones
May 07 22:19:43 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:19:45 BobJensen    BRB
May 07 22:20:14 Sonar_Gal    BobJensen, you need more tasks that's good we need to get these completed or most of the way completed before adding more
May 07 22:20:55 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 07 22:21:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 07 22:21:32 Southern_Gentlem    hopefully we get to the point that the task list is very small and we dont need 1.5 hour meetings
May 07 22:21:42 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 07 22:21:56 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:22:00 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:22:33 BobJensen    OK I posted a link at the head of the meeting
May 07 22:22:54 Sonar_Gal    and that is
May 07 22:23:34 BobJensen    this is something I have been working on, it will not be a public mirror but a HTML output from repoview that we can add to the search that will give hints to relevent packages to a persons search
May 07 22:24:01 BobJensen    http://mirror.fedoraunity.org/5/i386/livna/
May 07 22:24:09 BobJensen    that is my bit
May 07 22:24:13 Sonar_Gal    ok
May 07 22:24:35 Sonar_Guy    !
May 07 22:24:41 BobJensen    it needs to be themed yet but I am working on it
May 07 22:24:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 07 22:24:50 Sonar_Guy    Cool get it in the unity format and I love it!!
May 07 22:24:54 Sonar_Guy    NEXT!
May 07 22:24:55 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 07 22:25:04 BobJensen    daMaestro?
May 07 22:25:12 daMaestro    what?
May 07 22:25:28 Southern_Gentlem    what ou wanted to ring up at the end
May 07 22:25:32 Southern_Gentlem    you
May 07 22:25:51 BobJensen    now is the time to talk about the TLS, and docs versioning
May 07 22:26:13 daMaestro    we can do it later. i am for ending the meeting
May 07 22:26:23 BobJensen    OK fair enough
May 07 22:26:29 Sonar_Gal    ok
May 07 22:26:40 BobJensen    any other bright ideas?
May 07 22:26:41 Sonar_Gal    anything else need to be discussed
May 07 22:27:04 daMaestro    i wanted to put the eggdrop (bot) on a unity server
May 07 22:27:14 Southern_Gentlem    BobJensen,  i would love a repoview for the updates myself
May 07 22:27:55 Southern_Gentlem    at least a easily accessable link
May 07 22:28:10 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: yeah I think it will be quite useful
May 07 22:28:47 *    Southern_Gentlem move to close meeting
May 07 22:28:50 CyberSpy    !
May 07 22:28:52 BobJensen    +1
May 07 22:28:56 BobJensen    Doh
May 07 22:29:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to CyberSpy
May 07 22:29:12 CyberSpy    I need Author privs on the unity sites
May 07 22:29:12 BobJensen    CyberSpy: I forgot I am sorry
May 07 22:29:15 CyberSpy    EOF
May 07 22:29:21 BobJensen    !
May 07 22:29:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 07 22:30:11 BobJensen    I talked with CyberSpy about his idea about security tools and have agreed to post them on Solved and Mobile for now and if interest is such we can create a focused site at that time
May 07 22:30:24 daMaestro    +1
May 07 22:30:29 CyberSpy    +1
May 07 22:30:36 daMaestro    i can work with him on this... we have discussed these items before
May 07 22:30:46 BobJensen    He needs his member status modified to get going on that
May 07 22:30:57 daMaestro    i will do that after the meeting
May 07 22:31:03 BobJensen    thanks Jon
May 07 22:31:06 BobJensen    EOF
May 07 22:31:12 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:31:25 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 07 22:31:36 *    Southern_Gentlem move to close meeting
May 07 22:31:42 BobJensen    Welcome to the team CyberSpy
May 07 22:31:45 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 07 22:31:48 BobJensen    +1
May 07 22:31:54 BobJensen    Close it
May 07 22:32:00 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close