Meeting Minutes for 8 February 2006

Feb 08 21:00:12 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order. 
Feb 08 21:00:31 *    BobJensen calls this meeting a disorder
Feb 08 21:00:40 *    cds calls this meeting.
Feb 08 21:00:44 cds    HAHA YOUR FAT!
Feb 08 21:00:54 cds    Sorry :)
Feb 08 21:00:56 Sonar_Gal    Thanks to all who have attended tonight.  I am calling an openfloor meeting.
Feb 08 21:00:57 *    Sonar_Guy resembles that remark!!
Feb 08 21:01:02 Sonar_Gal    hehe
Feb 08 21:01:58 Sonar_Gal    Sonar_Gal, Gives the floor to Bob since this is brainstorming night.
Feb 08 21:02:18 BobJensen    Lets all thank nman64 for bringing us zope + plone
Feb 08 21:02:29 BobJensen    the new sites are awesome
Feb 08 21:02:43 Sonar_Gal    Yes they are thanks nman64
Feb 08 21:02:44 BobJensen    i have got some very nice feedback alreasy
Feb 08 21:02:51 BobJensen    already
Feb 08 21:03:10 Sonar_Guy    Yup and easy to maintain and update!!
Feb 08 21:03:46 Sonar_Guy    Thank you nman64
Feb 08 21:03:54 cds    Yes, thanks.
Feb 08 21:04:47 Sonar_Guy    BobJensen: I think we need to see about getting at least unity listed in the topic for #fedora
Feb 08 21:04:53 daMaestro    I have not really used it yet, however, I will be using it for my Fedora site.... I will be doing this tonight.
Feb 08 21:05:04 Sonar_Guy    Cool
Feb 08 21:05:19 daMaestro    I will let you all know what I think of it. I am also going to try to get the ldap going.
Feb 08 21:05:29 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: Yeah I will see if I can bend |Jef| ear about that
Feb 08 21:05:39 Sonar_Guy    Or Anvil!!
Feb 08 21:05:41 daMaestro    Already have it setup. (LDAPS)
Feb 08 21:05:59 BobJensen    I get along better with |jef|
Feb 08 21:06:00 daMaestro    What is the current auth settings for the new sites?
Feb 08 21:06:15 daMaestro    s/is/are
Feb 08 21:06:27 Sonar_Guy    lol
Feb 08 21:06:30 BobJensen    One thing that we need to look at is getitng single log in working for the 5 domains
Feb 08 21:06:37 daMaestro    i can do that tonight
Feb 08 21:07:02 Sonar_Guy    Cool, there is your volunteer BobJensen
Feb 08 21:07:03 daMaestro    i really don't want to migrate the accounts.
Feb 08 21:07:13 daMaestro    only if we use LDAP :-)
Feb 08 21:07:20 daMaestro    I have plans for it with the bot.
Feb 08 21:08:03 daMaestro    how are the accounts stored now. I mean I _could_ do it. Just depends on the work load.
Feb 08 21:08:06 *    rjune (n=rjune@oh-67-76-200-198.sta.sprint-hsd.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Feb 08 21:08:26 cds    Are we going to have the same accounts on all 5 domains?
Feb 08 21:08:32 Sonar_Guy    Bob-Laptop: based on the way zope works we should be able to point them all at one account setting.
Feb 08 21:08:59 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: Make it so...
Feb 08 21:09:10 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: when ever you have time
Feb 08 21:09:18 Sonar_Guy    I know you can cut and paste users from one plone site to another but the linking will be be the trick.
Feb 08 21:09:27 BobJensen    If you think you got it I will stay out of the way
Feb 08 21:09:47 daMaestro    http://www.zope.org/Wikis/DevSite/Projects/ComponentArchitecture/LDAPAuthentication
Feb 08 21:09:56 BobJensen    I would have to do a bunch of reading I do not have time for right now
Feb 08 21:10:00 Sonar_Guy    When I crashed my site I copied all the plone settting from the corrupt site to a dummy site and moved them back once I fized the site.
Feb 08 21:10:19 daMaestro    Well I will setup LDAPS auth for my plone site tonight.
Feb 08 21:10:24 BobJensen    fized does not sound good
Feb 08 21:10:35 Sonar_Guy    lol
Feb 08 21:10:45 BobJensen    do not be fzeding our sites OK
Feb 08 21:10:51 BobJensen    LOL
Feb 08 21:10:59 cds    But linking would be better than copying, yeah?
Feb 08 21:11:04 Sonar_Guy    Yes
Feb 08 21:11:16 Sonar_Guy    BobJensen: you can not even type my typos so just HUSH!!
Feb 08 21:11:22 BobJensen    hehehe
Feb 08 21:11:42 daMaestro    Is anyone with me on using LDAP? I would like to extend the zope/plone sites for a fedora document database I can use with bots and other neat things. Any feedback?
Feb 08 21:11:55 BobJensen    sorry I was distracted by that annoying beatle on TV
Feb 08 21:12:14 BobJensen    daMaestro: Bring it, I don't care
Feb 08 21:12:36 Sonar_Guy    Come up with an idea, I think bob can clone a couple of the sites to a test bed for you to work on!!
Feb 08 21:12:56 Sonar_Gal    lmao  bob more work for you
Feb 08 21:13:12 Sonar_Guy    but ldap sounds like a way to go.
Feb 08 21:13:14 daMaestro    I will do it for my fedora site. Then share the code.
Feb 08 21:13:20 daMaestro    Let you guys deal with the patches.
Feb 08 21:13:30 cds    daMaestro: Fedora docs database?
Feb 08 21:13:31 Sonar_Guy    lol
Feb 08 21:14:00 daMaestro    cds, I want to build a bot that indexes and rates all articles, howtos, FAQs it is 'aware' of.
Feb 08 21:14:11 cds    Ah
Feb 08 21:14:27 daMaestro    users in the 'fedora' auth system (based on gpg and ldap) can also rate and define the docs and sites.
Feb 08 21:15:09 BobJensen    daMaestro: I will give you an account on Our server for doing this work
Feb 08 21:15:19 daMaestro    bot interaction on freenode would be based on some sort of gpg secured communication via msg
Feb 08 21:15:32 daMaestro    the bot could interact with users, and channels
Feb 08 21:15:35 BobJensen    daMaestro: honestly I could use some help on the admin end anyhow
Feb 08 21:15:44 daMaestro    just server management?
Feb 08 21:15:57 daMaestro    I have no experence with python
Feb 08 21:16:06 daMaestro    experience
Feb 08 21:16:06 BobJensen    Yeah we want to get mailing lists setup and so on
Feb 08 21:16:11 daMaestro    oh
Feb 08 21:16:11 Sonar_Guy    BobJensen: could not not clone say fu.o and fs.o to the test domains for him to play with?
Feb 08 21:16:13 daMaestro    yeah.. no issues.
Feb 08 21:16:23 BobJensen    make ist all work together
Feb 08 21:16:29 daMaestro    anything with yum i will do for you all
Feb 08 21:16:40 daMaestro    and then give me sudo for my perl (and other) stuff
Feb 08 21:16:45 daMaestro    I will build perl in /opt
Feb 08 21:16:54 daMaestro    i want 5.8.7 and CPAN.
Feb 08 21:16:56 cds    If it's through msg, do we really need it te be GPG authenticated?
Feb 08 21:17:00 rjune    ls
Feb 08 21:17:05 BobJensen    yeah not a problem we are on a dedicated box now for jus this reason
Feb 08 21:17:46 daMaestro    cds, I would prefer all commands sent to the bot have some sort datalevel security
Feb 08 21:17:52 BobJensen    this way anyone who wants to can help out and get an account on the system
Feb 08 21:18:13 daMaestro    s/sort/sort of
Feb 08 21:18:45 daMaestro    BobJensen, I will also build eggdrop
Feb 08 21:18:55 daMaestro    I have not checked on the status of TCL and gpg
Feb 08 21:19:05 cds    daMaestro: Even to ask questions?
Feb 08 21:19:16 daMaestro    cds, not for public triggers
Feb 08 21:19:31 cds    Right, cool :)
Feb 08 21:21:16 *    avatraxiom thanks nman64for getting a topic on #fedorabot.
Feb 08 21:21:45 *    Sonar_Guy thinks nman64 rocks!!
Feb 08 21:22:09 *    avatraxiom thinks avatraxiom rocks. :-D
Feb 08 21:22:29 avatraxiom    Oh, and the house-leaving must happen for me.
Feb 08 21:22:33 avatraxiom    Which means I must depart.
Feb 08 21:22:38 *    Sonar_Guy thinks avatraxiom and foolish rock for the work on fedorafaq.org!!
Feb 08 21:22:39 *    avatraxiom dis-parts himself.
Feb 08 21:22:45 avatraxiom    Thanks, Sonar_Guy. :-)
Feb 08 21:22:53 *    avatraxiom vanishes in a puff of documentation magic.
Feb 08 21:22:57 Sonar_Guy    lol
Feb 08 21:23:01 *    avatraxiom (n=maxka@216.233.212.131) has left #fedora-unity
Feb 08 21:23:38 daMaestro    well these are the planned features so far: ldap auth, gpg protections, admin via msg, public/private/admin/personal triggers, document/site searching
Feb 08 21:24:36 daMaestro    each document on the database could have triggers and context data set for them.
Feb 08 21:24:49 daMaestro    (I plan to automate most of this data)
Feb 08 21:25:34 daMaestro    The automatic data would just suppliment user input and the html metadata.
Feb 08 21:25:58 daMaestro    s/on/in
Feb 08 21:26:28 daMaestro    Anyone think the fedora directory server would be a good test server for this type of dataset
Feb 08 21:26:28 daMaestro    ?
Feb 08 21:26:42 Sonar_Guy    +1
Feb 08 21:26:47 Sonar_Gal    +1
Feb 08 21:27:05 cds    +1
Feb 08 21:27:15 BobJensen    +1
Feb 08 21:27:29 Sonar_Guy    The Ayes have it !!
Feb 08 21:27:50 Sonar_Gal    go for it daMaestro
Feb 08 21:28:04 daMaestro    I want to be able to apply weight to individual records. I think LDAP would be a good choice. I could do this with mySQL, but I like being able to offer public binds to our data (at least on some public server)
Feb 08 21:28:16 daMaestro    I just got used to ldap2.2
Feb 08 21:28:20 daMaestro    openldap*
Feb 08 21:28:41 daMaestro    Anyone worked with gpg and python?
Feb 08 21:29:11 Sonar_Guy    Not I!!
Feb 08 21:29:36 daMaestro    Because of my limited abilities with python, I think someone else might help hack out zope+plone to help populate the ldap with some authoritive data.
Feb 08 21:29:58 Sonar_Guy    gja/tejas would be a good asset on that!!
Feb 08 21:30:30 Sonar_Guy    He knows python.
Feb 08 21:30:33 BobJensen    tejas is a FUDcon Delhi
Feb 08 21:30:43 BobJensen    at
Feb 08 21:31:13 *    Sonar_Guy was begining to wonder why BobJensen was calling tejas names!!
Feb 08 21:31:54 BobJensen    daMaestro: lets hook up tomorrow and get your account set up on our servre so we can get this work going
Feb 08 21:32:02 cds    He wanted to out-do me calling the meeting names.
Feb 08 21:32:13 Sonar_Guy    ;-)
Feb 08 21:32:28 daMaestro    Yeah. I will get my zope+plone+ldap setup tonight. I have a server on Gbit.
Feb 08 21:32:38 daMaestro    I would like some name suggestions for my site.
Feb 08 21:32:40 Sonar_Guy    Me Too!!
Feb 08 21:32:56 daMaestro    only thing I have thought so far is damaestrosblog.org
Feb 08 21:33:06 daMaestro    so.. fedora.damaestrosblog.org
Feb 08 21:33:13 daMaestro    I plan to setup my own repo
Feb 08 21:33:15 cds    damaestro.org?
Feb 08 21:33:16 daMaestro    :-P
Feb 08 21:33:20 daMaestro    but shhhh
Feb 08 21:33:29 daMaestro    no one make that offical. lol.
Feb 08 21:33:40 *    cds copies-pastes to #fedora
Feb 08 21:33:47 BobJensen    hell contribute to Livna before you a set up your own repo
Feb 08 21:33:58 Sonar_Guy    and extras!!
Feb 08 21:34:17 daMaestro    I want my own repo.. because I plan to offer rpms on my site.. when i need to rebuild things.
Feb 08 21:34:21 *    BobJensen pokes thl
Feb 08 21:34:48 BobJensen    heh
Feb 08 21:34:54 BobJensen    it is like 4AM there
Feb 08 21:35:29 daMaestro    I will try to figure out rpm more. Then I will look at adding to livna also.
Feb 08 21:35:37 daMaestro    I need to learn a lot.
Feb 08 21:36:28 daMaestro    damaestro.org is taken
Feb 08 21:37:18 BobJensen    BRB, need to help my nephew with his car
Feb 08 21:37:21 cds    Bummer.
Feb 08 21:38:01 daMaestro    on another point, I would like to offer full text indexing for all the fedora sites (allow sites to be indexed changed via the plone+zope) sites.
Feb 08 21:38:12 daMaestro    I could have this going in about an hour
Feb 08 21:38:18 daMaestro    as in indexed :-)
Feb 08 21:38:20 cds    Hm, RSS feeds would be nice' actually.
Feb 08 21:38:45 daMaestro    I really think XML will be the way to go on having this bot 'learn'
Feb 08 21:39:26 Sonar_Guy    Well are we done with the meeting or what?  Anything else of importance to discuss??
Feb 08 21:39:42 Sonar_Guy    I still have about 3 hours work to do.  lol
Feb 08 21:39:43 daMaestro    Indexing.
Feb 08 21:40:00 daMaestro    Indexing. Do we want fulltext searching for all the sites?
Feb 08 21:40:19 Sonar_Guy    Built in to Plone iirc?
Feb 08 21:40:19 daMaestro    http://search.thebwm.com/search
Feb 08 21:40:42 daMaestro    nman64 said something about that. I would like to index other sites too.
Feb 08 21:40:52 daMaestro    create a 'fedora' search site. :-)
Feb 08 21:41:24 daMaestro    searches all the news/mailinglist archives on fedora, search all fedora sites and howtos that are worth us indexing.
Feb 08 21:41:30 daMaestro    I would be willing to do this on my servers for now.
Feb 08 21:41:42 daMaestro    I have to setup caching mode tonight anyways.
Feb 08 21:41:54 Sonar_Guy    check out the search function here http://fedorasolved.org/ live search while entering data.
Feb 08 21:41:58 daMaestro    I hit the million mark and it started to really slow down.
Feb 08 21:42:32 daMaestro    that is sweet
Feb 08 21:42:38 daMaestro    i can't wait to play with that.
Feb 08 21:42:40 Sonar_Guy    Yup it rocks.
Feb 08 21:42:50 daMaestro    I would like to index other sites too.
Feb 08 21:42:57 daMaestro    And mailing lists.
Feb 08 21:43:09 Sonar_Guy    It would be awesome if you could get it to index other sites too.
Feb 08 21:43:21 Sonar_Guy    Damn lag.  lol
Feb 08 21:43:29 daMaestro    on that search page?
Feb 08 21:43:36 daMaestro    yeah google actually uses that search site.
Feb 08 21:43:44 daMaestro    and without caching mode.. it gets slow
Feb 08 21:44:02 Sonar_Guy    Yup, that would rock.  If you tied it to the fedora wiki the fedorafaq and fedora forums.
Feb 08 21:44:17 daMaestro    give me all the domains and I will start and index
Feb 08 21:44:20 daMaestro    fedora.thebwm.com
Feb 08 21:44:26 daMaestro    will be the address
Feb 08 21:44:33 daMaestro    will be up in about 2 hours.
Feb 08 21:45:02 daMaestro    you guys are welcome to setup a cname for it. i would prefer that. I will set the server to use fedora.thebwm.com
Feb 08 21:45:12 Sonar_Guy    www.fedorafaq.org, fedoraproject.org, fedoraforum.org
Feb 08 21:45:53 daMaestro    I had some issues with the sites... however I was also doing much more to them when they stopped responding.
Feb 08 21:46:15 daMaestro    Did the firewall issues get fixed?
Feb 08 21:46:16 cds    Are they still down?
Feb 08 21:46:24 cds    They should be fixed now, yeah.
Feb 08 21:46:28 Sonar_Guy    Yup, the firewall got fixed.
Feb 08 21:46:40 daMaestro    Would you guys like me to test it again? I still have all the scripts.
Feb 08 21:46:45 daMaestro    and my perl bots :-)
Feb 08 21:47:08 Sonar_Gal    Is there anything else that we need to discuss tonight
Feb 08 21:47:32 daMaestro    I think I have enough to do. Thanks for listening.
Feb 08 21:48:12 Sonar_Gal    ok I am going to call this meeting to a close.