Meeting Minutes for 14 May 2006

May 14 21:01:05 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order
May 14 21:01:14 Bob-Laptop    Chicken Please
May 14 21:01:16 Bob-Laptop    Fried
May 14 21:01:30 Bob-Laptop    and taters
May 14 21:01:30 Sonar_Gal    Bob BITE ME you had all day to eat
May 14 21:01:34 *    Corwyn passes the kfc
May 14 21:01:35 Bob-Laptop    LOL
May 14 21:02:15 Sonar_Gal    Bob anything that needs to be discussed that is not on the tasklist let me know
May 14 21:02:25 Bob-Laptop    !
May 14 21:02:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Bob-Laptop
May 14 21:02:45 Bob-Laptop    Just the item about talking to the Fedora Board I mentioned earlier
May 14 21:02:51 Bob-Laptop    EOF
May 14 21:02:57 Sonar_Gal    that's on the tasklist
May 14 21:03:06 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:03:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:03:26 Sonar_Guy    It would help if you actually opened the task list Bob ;-P
May 14 21:03:28 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 21:03:43 *    Southern_Gentlem list link to task list for the new people
May 14 21:03:49 BobJensen    Sorry my net link is a litle slow
May 14 21:03:57 Sonar_Gal    http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list/
May 14 21:03:59 BobJensen    some assholes are downloading ISOs
May 14 21:04:04 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:04:04 Sonar_Gal    lol
May 14 21:04:11 BobJensen    hehehe
May 14 21:04:32 Sonar_Gal    PRIORITY 1 TASKS:
May 14 21:04:41 *    Sonar_Guy shows the link http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list for both the new members and Bob!!
May 14 21:04:50 Sonar_Gal    1.  # What do we want to ask the Fedora Board related to respins?
May 14 21:04:50 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 14 21:04:50 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
May 14 21:04:53 daMaestro    we are only using 50K/s the i386 is done
May 14 21:05:59 *    Sonar_Guy also shows the link http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines these are the rules for the meeting, please follow them.
May 14 21:06:26 *    daMaestro -v
May 14 21:06:52 *    ChanServ gives channel operator status to Sonar_Gal
May 14 21:07:06 Sonar_Gal    # What do we want to ask the Fedora Board related to respins?
May 14 21:07:06 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 14 21:07:06 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
May 14 21:07:22 BobJensen    !
May 14 21:07:29 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:08:00 BobJensen    What do we want to find out fromt he board, if we can open the floor for 10 minutes I think it would be good
May 14 21:08:07 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:08:18 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:08:18 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:08:22 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 14 21:08:31 Corwyn    +1
May 14 21:08:35 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 14 21:08:36 daMaestro    +1
May 14 21:08:44 Sonar_Gal    floor is now open for discussion on this task only
May 14 21:08:47 *    Sonar_Guy reminds everybody 51 minutes to keep the meeting under an hour!!
May 14 21:09:08 Southern_Gentlem    bob how are we modifying anaconda to do the respins
May 14 21:09:13 Southern_Gentlem    ?
May 14 21:09:45 Sonar_Guy    As I see it we are not modifying any packages we are modifying a confiugration file for anaconda that lists the packages contained on the ISO.
May 14 21:10:09 Sonar_Guy    No steps in the procedure require you to repackage do they?
May 14 21:10:48 BobJensen    anaconda is recompiled the way I understand it
May 14 21:11:01 BobJensen    Sorry I was just looking at the script
May 14 21:11:10 Sonar_Guy    got a link?
May 14 21:11:30 Southern_Gentlem    but we are not using anything outside the core or updates to do that are we
May 14 21:11:39 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: we are not
May 14 21:11:41 Sonar_Guy    Also I verified yesterday that all the pakages are contained in either core or updates!
May 14 21:12:16 BobJensen    http://mirror.fedoraunity.org/scripts/iso-build
May 14 21:12:29 Southern_Gentlem    so my question is what does the board need from us for us to go forward
May 14 21:13:18 Southern_Gentlem    we want to respin only using the core and the updates from such
May 14 21:13:34 BobJensen    Maybe my first step is to ask jeremy or paul nesrat what exactly some of the anacond parts are doing
May 14 21:14:17 BobJensen    So when I do go to the board I know exactly what is what
May 14 21:14:26 Southern_Gentlem    please by all means get others on the board to look at our procedures
May 14 21:14:48 BobJensen    Jeremy is the lead for anaconda and also on the board
May 14 21:14:58 Sonar_Guy    I do not see where it is repackaging anaconda?
May 14 21:15:10 Southern_Gentlem    please have everyone you can think of look
May 14 21:15:12 BobJensen    IIRC Paul Nasrat is also a hatter
May 14 21:15:36 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: see the buildinstall
May 14 21:16:22 BobJensen    buildinstall is from one of the path items from the anaconda-runtime package IIRC
May 14 21:16:49 Southern_Gentlem    and that is from the core
May 14 21:17:11 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: yes EVERYTHING is from the ISOs or updates
May 14 21:17:11 Southern_Gentlem    and or the core updates
May 14 21:17:19 Sonar_Guy    Right but all it does is gather the files necessary to identify the packages contained in the ISO it does not recompile the package itself.
May 14 21:18:02 Sonar_Guy    Do you install the src for anaconda?
May 14 21:18:06 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: I would like to double check thatas I am not so sure what happens when I turn the script loose
May 14 21:18:14 Sonar_Guy    If not you are not repackaging it!!
May 14 21:18:42 Sonar_Guy    Check the build system for the SRC for anaconda.
May 14 21:18:54 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: You may very well be right, perhaps it is a "reconfigure" type situation
May 14 21:19:26 Southern_Gentlem    ok bob wants to know questions to ask the board, i think we all agree that we dont see anything that is outside of the core in any wa
May 14 21:19:43 BobJensen    we are getting bogged down here
May 14 21:19:55 Sonar_Guy    That was my point the other day with mether.
May 14 21:20:13 Southern_Gentlem    so the question is if we go forward with the respins what do we have to do for them not to enforce the trademarks on us
May 14 21:20:32 Sonar_Guy    I say open the respin process to the board and see if they have any issues with calling it FC5 Respin.
May 14 21:20:36 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: if we are only reconfiguring as you think then that does change some things in my mind aslo
May 14 21:21:28 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:21:44 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 14 21:21:47 BobJensen    it comes back to the only thing we are changing is the point in time that the snapshot and spin happened
May 14 21:21:57 Southern_Gentlem    exactly
May 14 21:22:05 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:22:14 Southern_Gentlem    i think our 10 minutes is up
May 14 21:22:20 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:22:26 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 21:22:47 BobJensen    I will drop Jeremy an email AS I said he has been very helpful and supportive, see if I can get an answer from him ASAP so I have "FACTS" to take to the board
May 14 21:23:04 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:23:06 Sonar_Gal    BobJensen, that is what needs to be done
May 14 21:23:09 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:23:11 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:23:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:23:43 Sonar_Guy    Please include anybody else that is involved in the true build process to see if they have any issues.
May 14 21:23:46 Sonar_Guy    eof
May 14 21:24:03 BobJensen    !
May 14 21:24:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:24:22 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:24:36 BobJensen    Well the only three I know on the release engineering team are Jeremy, Jesse Keating and Paul Nasrat
May 14 21:24:56 BobJensen    I will sak thm to pass around our script and get us input
May 14 21:25:02 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:25:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:25:08 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:25:22 Southern_Gentlem    motions we move on
May 14 21:25:23 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:25:43 Corwyn    +1
May 14 21:25:49 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:25:52 Sonar_Gal    2.  # Need to discuss the options for editors?
May 14 21:25:52 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 14 21:25:52 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Ben Williams
May 14 21:25:55 BobJensen    +1
May 14 21:25:58 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:26:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:27:14 Southern_Gentlem    the current posting requirements are not going to get us new post the way things stand
May 14 21:27:51 Southern_Gentlem    we need to get the first a form for users to post and the content group put it in the form we want
May 14 21:28:15 Southern_Gentlem    we need the post process to be KISS keep it stupitly simple
May 14 21:28:17 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:28:18 BobJensen    +1
May 14 21:28:21 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:28:24 Sonar_Guy    ?
May 14 21:28:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:29:19 Sonar_Guy    Is there a way to do forms for data entry for zope+plone similar to the contact page?  (directed to Bob daMaestro)
May 14 21:29:22 Sonar_Guy    eof
May 14 21:29:30 BobJensen    !
May 14 21:29:31 daMaestro    yes
May 14 21:29:33 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:29:34 daMaestro    err !
May 14 21:29:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:29:58 BobJensen    I have no idea, I have not looked at the way plone works to be honest
May 14 21:30:01 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:30:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 21:30:07 Corwyn    ?
May 14 21:30:14 daMaestro    we can devel our own workflow
May 14 21:30:23 daMaestro    it is very possible and we should do it
May 14 21:30:25 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:30:36 daMaestro    we also want to do things like add emails to the workflow, as a side note
May 14 21:30:38 daMaestro    eof
May 14 21:30:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
May 14 21:30:57 Corwyn    for those of us that are new, what is the current post process, simple list please?
May 14 21:31:00 Corwyn    eof
May 14 21:31:18 BobJensen    http://fedoraunity.org/site-posting-guidelines-and-rules
May 14 21:31:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:31:42 *    Sonar_Gal thanks Bob for posting the lin
May 14 21:31:42 Sonar_Guy    Right we can develop our own work flow but can we make a form for people to plug in the information that is required for a post for the content team to work on, i.e. php
May 14 21:31:45 Sonar_Guy    eof
May 14 21:32:05 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:32:09 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:32:10 daMaestro    !
May 14 21:32:50 *    Sonar_Guy show this as an example http://fedoraunity.org/contact-info
May 14 21:33:06 Southern_Gentlem    i mean the initial post for the users can be as simple as whats on fedorasolved.com which is all they need for a start
May 14 21:33:07 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:33:22 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 21:33:40 daMaestro    by changing the workflow or developing a new content type.. yes we can have input boxes and templates
May 14 21:33:48 daMaestro    at that point we should create our own content type
May 14 21:33:56 daMaestro    and leave the 'page' alone
May 14 21:33:58 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:34:25 daMaestro    we could make our own workflow for developing documentation...
May 14 21:34:25 daMaestro    eof
May 14 21:34:32 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:34:36 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:34:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:35:28 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:35:34 Southern_Gentlem    if the users have a kiss interface then thehttp://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines content team can put  the info in any form we want
May 14 21:35:58 Southern_Gentlem    if the users have a kiss interface then the content team can put  the info in any form we want
May 14 21:36:07 Southern_Gentlem    sorry
May 14 21:36:10 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:36:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:36:23 Sonar_Guy    I suggest that Ben, Jon, and Bob work on this for 2 weeks and then we revisit this topic for review.
May 14 21:36:24 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 21:36:36 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:36:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:36:52 Southern_Gentlem    adds scott to this as well
May 14 21:36:54 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:37:01 Sonar_Gal    Southern_Gentlem, he won't be here
May 14 21:37:21 BobJensen    ?
May 14 21:37:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:37:44 BobJensen    If they can't form a siple page following a simple lay out do we want the content?
May 14 21:37:47 *    Sonar_Guy will be at sea from 17 - 25 may.
May 14 21:37:57 BobJensen    I mean WTF?
May 14 21:38:03 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:38:22 BobJensen    How low do we need toput the bar before we say "sorry your too handicapped"
May 14 21:38:32 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:38:35 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:38:37 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:38:49 Sonar_Guy    Not all people are web developers and since there is not clear cut good editor this will make the process easier for those individuals.
May 14 21:38:51 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 21:39:02 BobJensen    !!
May 14 21:39:06 Southern_Gentlem    !!
May 14 21:39:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:39:29 BobJensen    Hell they can train rats to run MS word
May 14 21:39:39 *    Sonar_Gal couldn't write a procedure to save her own arse
May 14 21:39:46 BobJensen    surely the mental cripples we are talking about can handle it
May 14 21:39:52 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:39:53 Corwyn    !
May 14 21:39:55 Southern_Gentlem    !!!
May 14 21:39:57 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:40:57 Southern_Gentlem    BobJensen,  i guess i am to damn handicapped to do it because i find the curent process stupid and to rigid to get anything accomplish quickly
May 14 21:41:07 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:41:11 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: fair enough
May 14 21:41:16 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 21:41:31 BobJensen    !
May 14 21:41:50 Southern_Gentlem    and i am a webmaster for the statewide IOOF lodge
May 14 21:41:54 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:41:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
May 14 21:42:19 Foolish    !
May 14 21:42:43 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:42:57 Corwyn    everyone has some level of expertise in something they do, regardless of their ability to do other things. We shouldn't make it impossible for people to post what they do know.
May 14 21:43:11 daMaestro    +1000
May 14 21:43:16 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:43:20 Corwyn    to that end, we should have some method of making it possible to do for everyone
May 14 21:43:21 Corwyn    eof
May 14 21:43:22 Foolish    +1
May 14 21:43:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:43:33 Southern_Gentlem    ????
May 14 21:43:44 BobJensen    drop the templates, having things look consistant is over the top, we can fix posts in the editing process, I don't see how making a copy of a template and pasting it so you can fill in the info is that hard. The one thing we hav going for us is that our content is formatted so it can be used by the end user
May 14 21:44:03 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:44:07 daMaestro    !
May 14 21:44:10 BobJensen    !
May 14 21:44:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:44:34 *    Sonar_Guy steals BobJensen ! key!!
May 14 21:44:59 Southern_Gentlem    BobJensen,  yes drop the templates for the users and the content team can still use the templates to get the post in our desired output
May 14 21:45:22 Southern_Gentlem    we need the initial posting phase to take no longer than 10 minutes
May 14 21:45:23 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:45:27 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 21:45:29 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 21:45:31 Corwyn    +1
May 14 21:45:35 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 21:46:47 BobJensen    Next
May 14 21:47:02 daMaestro    !
May 14 21:47:25 Foolish    My experience is that most users want to contribute in some way or another, however, content creation isn't for everyone and having every tom, dick and harry creating content will increase the amount of work on the edit team, at one point the edit team won't be efficient anymore.
May 14 21:48:03 Foolish    We don't want the edit team to end up as moderators, moderating work is boring and unrewarding
May 14 21:48:04 Foolish    eof
May 14 21:48:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:48:11 Corwyn    !
May 14 21:49:14 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: I think all ready went
May 14 21:49:15 Southern_Gentlem    good point foolish but if you look at our site all new content has been from scott basicly since fc5 came out, look at fedorasolved.com and they have 20 people posting new content
May 14 21:49:24 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:49:27 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:49:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 21:50:28 daMaestro    we should be using CMFeditions.. flat out.. this will make everyones lives easier...
May 14 21:50:31 daMaestro    eof
May 14 21:50:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:51:10 *    Southern_Gentlem wonders with 8 minutes left is there something else that we have to discuss real fast
May 14 21:51:17 BobJensen    I will edit every freaking post so they can be read, daMaestro get it set up so I get an email for everything that is posted on our sites, I also want to know of every change to a page so it can be checked
May 14 21:51:30 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:51:31 Bob-Laptop    Sorry my link is flaking here
May 14 21:51:50 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:51:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 21:51:59 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 21:52:06 daMaestro    eof
May 14 21:52:09 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
May 14 21:52:17 BobJensen    -EOF
May 14 21:52:17 BobJensen    If that can not happen we lock the works down until it can
May 14 21:52:17 BobJensen    No one posts
May 14 21:52:17 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:52:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 21:53:00 Corwyn    Foolish, based on what you said then we have to moderate somehow, otherwise we can't limit every Tom, Dick and Harry. We should have a simple format for post even in txt file format, an outline of sorts, that will allow everyone to contribute.
May 14 21:53:02 Corwyn    eof
May 14 21:53:07 Southern_Gentlem    BobJensen,  no one is asking that you edit every post
May 14 21:53:28 Foolish    !
May 14 21:53:38 Southern_Gentlem    we are stateing the current method isnt working that we need to make a change that is it
May 14 21:53:39 BobJensen    !!
May 14 21:53:40 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 21:53:48 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:54:02 Sonar_Guy    Bob there is no need to get spun up, All of us can edit the data if it is e-mailed to all of us!!
May 14 21:54:04 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 21:54:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 21:55:45 Foolish    Having users abide to a template isn't too much to ask. Wikipedia does so and it works out just fine. My vote is to keep a template system, while keeping it simple enough to allow as many users as possible to contribute.
May 14 21:56:03 daMaestro    !
May 14 21:56:17 Foolish    A system that requires reviewing of every piece of content added will create too much workload on a team that is already stretched.
May 14 21:56:18 Foolish    eof
May 14 21:56:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 21:56:23 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: You are saying you can't use a template, this may be true for other users, I designed the template and it works, so I don't need to be asked, I will demand it!
May 14 21:56:58 BobJensen    I do not think asking things to be formatted by a template is asking to much as Foolish said
May 14 21:56:58 BobJensen    But hey what do I kow
May 14 21:57:02 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 21:57:13 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 21:58:06 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 21:58:13 daMaestro    ok.. so we can move on!!! I offer to develop a new content type with support for user input to start with a basic editable template... but will only work on this if we start using CMFeditions.. this allows for new versions of documents to be submitted for review and publishing
May 14 21:58:34 daMaestro    adding things like emails needs to happen... but it is a large amount of work for it to work well
May 14 21:58:36 Foolish    !
May 14 21:58:41 daMaestro    we need to edit users and add new user attributes
May 14 21:58:46 daMaestro    among other things
May 14 21:59:01 Sonar_Guy    With an attitude like that how are we doing what we stated in the beginning with unity!! Fedora Unity was based on unifying the community but if its Bobs way or the Highway I choose the Highway!!!
May 14 21:59:05 daMaestro    I have already looked into a lot of this as it has passed in non-formal discussion
May 14 21:59:19 BobJensen    ! Sonar_Guy
May 14 21:59:21 daMaestro    eof
May 14 21:59:32 Sonar_Guy    X
May 14 21:59:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 22:00:59 daMaestro    -eof plone 2.5 is going to help accomplish a lot of this eof
May 14 22:01:00 Foolish    Again I'll refer to wikipedia as a model to copy for  user created content. Wikipedia has a set of "featured articles" which are articles with high quality.
May 14 22:01:23 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:01:45 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 22:01:46 Foolish    A system were users can create content freely and users can view that content, but only content reviewed by the editors team will be added to the list of "featured articles" might work out.
May 14 22:01:46 Foolish    eof
May 14 22:01:49 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:01:58 BobJensen    That is not what I am saying, we worked out the template as a team, we all agreed it would work, it is not working for the general public, so we need to make changes and keep using what we have until we can get some other process in place, I know the template and do not want to require others to use it if it does not work for them is what I am saying
May 14 22:02:14 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:02:17 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:03:44 Southern_Gentlem     i think we all are saying the same thing , in different words, we all see the current method is not working
May 14 22:04:08 Southern_Gentlem    i motiom we dismiss to let minds clear at this point
May 14 22:04:11 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:04:17 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 22:04:18 *    BobJensen watches the clock run in to overtime
May 14 22:04:20 Sonar_Guy    All I am saying is we need an easier way to capture content. It has to be easy for the "Average" user, as we all know One shoe does not fit every foot in the world, just as one "template" does not suit every post. We need to work out a way to capture the data from people that do not have the time to learn our template.
May 14 22:04:25 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 22:04:42 Corwyn    !
May 14 22:04:48 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
May 14 22:05:07 BobJensen    +1
May 14 22:05:29 rjune    ?
May 14 22:05:30 Corwyn    I'd like to move that the editting team get together, come up with a plan of action to be proposed at the next meeting to be voted on.
May 14 22:05:42 daMaestro    -1
May 14 22:05:49 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:06:13 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:06:40 Corwyn    eof
May 14 22:06:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
May 14 22:06:43 Sonar_Guy    !!!
May 14 22:06:44 Corwyn    (sorry)
May 14 22:06:53 rjune    is the current template not just an HTML form to fill out?
May 14 22:06:57 rjune    pf
May 14 22:07:00 rjune    eof
May 14 22:07:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 22:07:21 daMaestro    rjune, no.. it is just an example page you have to copy and paste then edit
May 14 22:07:29 rjune    ?
May 14 22:07:30 daMaestro    I need time to figure out how to devel a new content type
May 14 22:07:40 daMaestro    i would like a yes or no tonight
May 14 22:07:49 daMaestro    this needs to be delt with now
May 14 22:07:54 daMaestro    eof
May 14 22:07:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:08:10 BobJensen    Does anyone object to an additional half hour to run through the other tasks quickly, letting this item close for more discussion/fighting maybe in out brainstorm?
May 14 22:08:20 BobJensen    s/out/our
May 14 22:08:21 rjune    not me
May 14 22:08:23 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:08:25 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 22:08:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 22:08:38 Sonar_Guy    I motion we finish the meeting on the this topic and continue with the list in an impromptu meeting tomorrow night at 2100 EST 0100 UTC.
May 14 22:08:38 Foolish    +1
May 14 22:08:39 daMaestro    i think we should open the floor for this one or move on
May 14 22:08:40 Sonar_Guy    EOF
May 14 22:08:43 Corwyn    +1
May 14 22:08:52 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 22:08:55 rjune    !
May 14 22:08:56 daMaestro    +1
May 14 22:08:59 BobJensen    +1
May 14 22:09:01 Sonar_Gal    3.  # Implement http://plone.org/products/cmfeditions/
May 14 22:09:01 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-17
May 14 22:09:01 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 14 22:09:01 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
May 14 22:09:01 Sonar_Gal                In the eyes of a lot of users a major drawback of Plone is the missing "versioning" feature. This is especially true for intranet deployments and document management based on Plone. Plone needs to have a consistent, core solution for simple versioning tasks. This is expected of modern CMS packages. CMFEditions want to be the answer to such needs. This allows us to do the following:
May 14 22:09:01 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 14 22:09:06 Sonar_Gal                          # Work safely. If you make a mistake, you can go back to an earlier version.
May 14 22:09:08 daMaestro    yes!
May 14 22:09:08 Sonar_Gal                          # Collaboration.
May 14 22:09:10 Sonar_Gal                            Version comments and version history help you communicate to co-workers the high-level changes during a document's lifecycle.
May 14 22:09:13 Sonar_Gal                          # Comparison.
May 14 22:09:15 Sonar_Gal                            Easily see how a document has changed between versions.
May 14 22:09:17 Sonar_Gal                          # Stable repository.
May 14 22:09:19 Sonar_Gal                            Authoritative version information is stored in a solid, pluggable repository (default repository is Zope Version Control).
May 14 22:09:22 Sonar_Gal                          # Archetypes friendly.
May 14 22:09:23 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:09:24 Sonar_Gal                            Custom content types should just work, anticipating special needs such as relations.
May 14 22:09:25 daMaestro    yes yes yes yes.... go Sonar_Gal !!!
May 14 22:09:27 Sonar_Gal                          # Stable.
May 14 22:09:29 Sonar_Gal                            Don't rely on too much machinery and infrastructure that isn't already being used.
May 14 22:09:33 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:09:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
May 14 22:09:50 rjune    maybe we can put this off till after the official meeting. then work it out.
May 14 22:10:02 rjune    i have a cranky kid, and would like to be involved. but can't atm
May 14 22:10:04 rjune    eof
May 14 22:10:31 daMaestro    @
May 14 22:10:32 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:10:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:11:32 Southern_Gentlem    brainstorm torrow nite next meeting for group, on this issue it is needed go for it
May 14 22:11:34 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:11:41 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:11:43 BobJensen    #3 is related to the #2 item, bounce it IMO
May 14 22:11:46 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:11:53 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 22:12:08 daMaestro    lets vote on this. I will set it up tonight.
May 14 22:12:09 daMaestro    eof
May 14 22:12:16 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:12:18 Corwyn    ?
May 14 22:12:23 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:12:37 BobJensen    I think we nkow we nee dit,it fits many of our requirements
May 14 22:12:49 BobJensen    +1 from me
May 14 22:12:51 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:12:52 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 22:12:52 daMaestro    +1
May 14 22:12:53 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 14 22:12:56 Foolish    +1
May 14 22:12:56 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 22:13:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Corwyn
May 14 22:13:17 daMaestro    ok expect it to be online when I get home.. it has been tested with the plone+zope from FC5 and works
May 14 22:13:30 Foolish    ?
May 14 22:13:42 Corwyn    simple question, will CMFEdition fill the need to make things easier for posters as well as the editting team?
May 14 22:13:43 Corwyn    eof
May 14 22:13:53 Sonar_Guy    !
May 14 22:13:53 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:13:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 22:14:39 Foolish    Is cmfedition available as an rpm, would a packaging it as an rpm make sense?
May 14 22:14:48 daMaestro    no no
May 14 22:14:52 daMaestro    IMO
May 14 22:15:04 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:15:07 Foolish    ok, eof
May 14 22:15:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:15:12 BobJensen    Corwyn: yes it will also provide versioning of documents that we need for licensing and content tracking.
May 14 22:15:31 BobJensen    Can we move to the other items?
May 14 22:15:34 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:15:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
May 14 22:15:38 Sonar_Guy    X
May 14 22:15:38 daMaestro    -!
May 14 22:15:41 Corwyn    +1 on damaestro's motion
May 14 22:15:42 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 22:15:44 daMaestro    or X or whatever
May 14 22:15:50 Sonar_Gal    # FedoraSearch.Org  discuss weighting for the index.
May 14 22:15:50 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUN-04
May 14 22:15:50 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 14 22:15:50 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: The "Goo" rank that we use now takes the links for a given "server" (site) and counts how many times the url is linked to on other sites.. the weight is then added in and divided by the total number of urls on the "server" and this gives us the rank. The serverweight is the amount to add to the calculation to help move the ranks around. We are going to keep the ranking as it is now for 1 month then determine if c
May 14 22:15:51 Sonar_Gal    hanges need to be made.
May 14 22:16:01 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:16:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:16:16 BobJensen    No time to get in to this tonight IMO, push one week
May 14 22:16:20 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:16:22 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:16:23 Sonar_Gal    # Discuss gathering raw data from search requests to the fedora search engine for the purpose of seeing what peopele are searching. This will give us an idea for new content to post based on the data.
May 14 22:16:23 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 14 22:16:23 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 14 22:16:23 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
May 14 22:16:27 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:16:47 Southern_Gentlem    that issue had date of june to bring up
May 14 22:16:49 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:17:09 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:17:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:17:40 BobJensen    push one week, Jon and I will ave a report next week
May 14 22:17:44 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:17:44 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:17:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 22:18:14 daMaestro    there are logs.. they just need to be parsed.. there are the standard apache logs and the search system itself logs to syslog... we can filter this out for good reports
May 14 22:18:15 daMaestro    eopf
May 14 22:18:16 daMaestro    eof
May 14 22:18:33 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:18:41 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:18:51 BobJensen    push #6, no time tonight
May 14 22:18:54 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:19:00 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:19:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:19:44 Southern_Gentlem    #6 depeds now on #1 table till the board can give info
May 14 22:19:46 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:19:55 Sonar_Gal    # Create a CVS/SVN mailing list.
May 14 22:19:55 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-14
May 14 22:19:55 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Server Team
May 14 22:19:55 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: No More Pushes
May 14 22:20:01 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:20:12 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:20:28 BobJensen    the mailing list has been setup, however I forgot to get ports opened in the firewall
May 14 22:20:43 BobJensen    once that happens we should be in the money
May 14 22:20:48 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:21:03 BobJensen    so it should be setup, functional and everythign by mid-week
May 14 22:21:14 Southern_Gentlem    +1
May 14 22:21:19 BobJensen    daMaestro anything ot add?
May 14 22:21:30 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:21:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 22:21:33 Southern_Gentlem    ! on 8
May 14 22:21:35 Foolish    !
May 14 22:21:37 daMaestro    i have not had the time to configure what needs to be setup.. add the default lists and all that.. a side effect of running the mail system on unity01 is that we will all have @fu.o email accounts (at least the ppl with ldap shell accounts)
May 14 22:21:48 Foolish    X
May 14 22:21:56 daMaestro    oef
May 14 22:21:59 daMaestro    eof
May 14 22:22:23 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:22:26 *    daMaestro was waiting on the ports to be opened so I can actually test it
May 14 22:22:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:22:52 BobJensen    Push 8 related to the CMFeditorwhatever
May 14 22:22:57 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:23:00 Southern_Gentlem    -1
May 14 22:23:07 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:23:12 Southern_Gentlem    -1
May 14 22:23:20 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:23:26 Sonar_Gal    # ndex sites scattered through fedoraforum.org Links forum and add them to the FedoraUnity.Org site as applicable.
May 14 22:23:26 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-01
May 14 22:23:26 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Scott Glaser
May 14 22:23:26 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
May 14 22:23:38 Southern_Gentlem    skip
May 14 22:23:41 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:23:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:24:02 Southern_Gentlem    this is in the works pass tonight
May 14 22:24:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:24:07 BobJensen    Push late due date, Scott is going out on site
May 14 22:24:11 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:24:20 Sonar_Gal    # Create RESPIN ISOs of FC5 to include all updates to the Core OS every 30 days
May 14 22:24:20 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUN-01
May 14 22:24:20 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Ben Williams
May 14 22:24:20 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: The gobby server is being renamed to "bobthebuilder" for the purpose of respins, it also needs pam_auth_ldap. Currently the mirrors are completey updated twice daily.
May 14 22:24:27 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:24:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:24:47 BobJensen    we have current spins dated 20060512
May 14 22:24:58 BobJensen    this is also related to #1
May 14 22:25:03 daMaestro    !
May 14 22:25:05 BobJensen    script is done
May 14 22:25:14 BobJensen    (for now) and it works
May 14 22:25:18 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:25:22 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
May 14 22:25:24 Foolish    !
May 14 22:25:31 daMaestro    unity04 is using ldap auth.. torent is working and seeded...
May 14 22:25:40 daMaestro    eof
May 14 22:25:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 22:26:23 Foolish    Script may need to be looked over by someone who actually knows something about making good bash scripts
May 14 22:26:24 Foolish    eof
May 14 22:26:30 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:26:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:26:50 BobJensen    Foolish: I have called in the help of Tommy "MegaCoder" Reynolds
May 14 22:27:11 BobJensen    He should be able to get some error checking and such in place for version 0.03
May 14 22:27:17 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:27:20 Foolish    !
May 14 22:27:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Foolish
May 14 22:27:52 Foolish    "MegaCoder" sounds like he's the real deal, this issue should solve itself.
May 14 22:27:53 Foolish    eof
May 14 22:27:56 Southern_Gentlem    ! covered in #1 discussion eof
May 14 22:28:12 Sonar_Gal    # We need to review our posts and those that can be pushed to the Fedora Wiki FAQ should be moved, then for our purposes linking to the Wiki. This will allow the community to take over the upkeep.
May 14 22:28:12 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 14 22:28:12 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Content Team
May 14 22:28:12 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Please keep in mind  that the data must follow the "content rules" of the FedoraProject.
May 14 22:28:19 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:28:21 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:28:24 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:28:45 BobJensen    Push we are to busy for the next two weeks, motion to move to priority 2 for atleast that long
May 14 22:28:53 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:28:55 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 22:28:59 Foolish    +1
May 14 22:28:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:29:02 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 22:29:05 Corwyn    +1
May 14 22:29:21 Southern_Gentlem    this is related to what is to be brainstormed push
May 14 22:29:32 BobJensen    Southern_Gentlem: +1
May 14 22:29:37 Southern_Gentlem    eof
May 14 22:29:45 BobJensen    !
May 14 22:29:54 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
May 14 22:30:18 BobJensen    Nothing in priority 2 or Priority 3 needs looking at tonight
May 14 22:30:35 Southern_Gentlem    !
May 14 22:30:38 BobJensen    so the final item is Back up, and I will thanks for reminding me
May 14 22:30:41 Sonar_Gal    no nothing and the last item on the tasklist is all Bob's
May 14 22:30:46 BobJensen    EOF
May 14 22:30:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
May 14 22:31:07 Southern_Gentlem    bob backup and move to close meeting
May 14 22:31:10 Sonar_Gal      12. Create back-up of the servers Unity01, Unity02, and Unity03 every sunday after the meeting. Also create a backup prior to any major configuration change.
May 14 22:31:10 Sonar_Gal              * DATE DUE: On-Going
May 14 22:31:10 Sonar_Gal              * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
May 14 22:31:10 Sonar_Gal                    o NOTES: Backup, Backup, Backup!!
May 14 22:31:13 BobJensen    +1
May 14 22:31:16 daMaestro    +1
May 14 22:31:17 Sonar_Guy    +1
May 14 22:31:23 daMaestro    i have family stuff I need to get back too
May 14 22:31:26 Sonar_Gal    +1
May 14 22:31:26 Corwyn    +1
May 14 22:31:30 Sonar_Gal    ok
May 14 22:31:37 BobJensen    Lock the door woman
May 14 22:31:42 *    Sonar_Gal nows calls this meeting to a close