Meeting Minutes for 16 July 2006

Jul 16 21:01:11 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order.
Jul 16 21:01:28 Sonar_Gal    meeting rules  http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/fedora-unity-project-meeting-guidelines/
Jul 16 21:01:44 Sonar_Gal    Tasklist  http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list/
Jul 16 21:02:26 Sonar_Gal    1# Poll current Meeting Attendees with a plan to alternate the meetings weekly.
Jul 16 21:02:26 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-16
Jul 16 21:02:26 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED:Unity-Team
Jul 16 21:02:26 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: Currently the Meetings are 9PM EST Sunday Evenings, Ideas tabled are One meeting at the normal time and one at 2PM EST Sunday or One Wednesday at 9PM EST and one on Sundays at 2PM EST.  This is open for dicussion and a Vote will be taken after the discusssion on the Due Date.
Jul 16 21:03:11 corwyn    !
Jul 16 21:03:20 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:03:41 corwyn    I'd like to try to keep the meetings to any other day than Wednesday
Jul 16 21:03:42 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:04:04 kanarip    !
Jul 16 21:04:23 Sonar_Gal    this will be discussed after we get through the tasklist and come to a vote.
Jul 16 21:04:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 21:04:42 kanarip    of course i'd like to see at least one meeting at a time I could attend, as maybe will other europeans
Jul 16 21:04:54 *    daMaestro (n=jon@fedora/damaestro) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 16 21:04:55 kanarip    sunday 2pm EST is in both options... so...
Jul 16 21:04:55 kanarip    oef
Jul 16 21:04:59 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 21:05:05 Sonar_Gal    evening Jon
Jul 16 21:05:07 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:05:10 daMaestro    evening
Jul 16 21:05:12 Sonar_Gal    2. # Poll current contributors as to where they see themselves in the Unity Project now (what thier duties are) and what they want to learn and do in addition.
Jul 16 21:05:13 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-16
Jul 16 21:05:13 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED:Unity-Team
Jul 16 21:05:13 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: This has been sent out in the mailing list and nobody has resoponded.  Please respond to this e-mail so we can update the Organization Chart located at http://fedoraunity.org/fedora-unity-organization you will need to log in to view the file.  And yes the colors will be corrected later this week. Please see: http://lists.fedoraunity.org/mailman/listinfo/unity-team for posting if you haven't received it yet. Scott
Jul 16 21:05:15 Sonar_Gal     will also repost to the list.
Jul 16 21:05:43 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:05:53 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:06:15 kanarip    !
Jul 16 21:07:18 Sonar_Guy    I have only seen 2 posts so far on this topic. As that is the case I say we remove extra access from those that have not yet responded to the list. I.E. if they currently have reviewer/editor rights.
Jul 16 21:07:20 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:07:32 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 21:07:49 kanarip    i do not have access to this organization chart, eof
Jul 16 21:07:53 EvilBob    +1
Jul 16 21:08:01 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:08:06 kanarip    +1 to sonar_guy as well
Jul 16 21:08:06 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:08:13 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:08:24 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:09:11 Sonar_Guy    Ok I will take that for action and attempt to get it done by mid week.  I feel it is only fair, if they can not respond to an e-mail on the list they are not going to do much reviewing/editing for us obviously.
Jul 16 21:09:13 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:09:32 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:09:34 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:09:37 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 21:09:40 EvilBob    +1]
Jul 16 21:09:57 Sonar_Gal    corwyn, can you please update that task.
Jul 16 21:10:00 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:10:09 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:10:19 corwyn    yes
Jul 16 21:10:31 Sonar_Guy    I will also send an e-mail on the list to all who are having their rights revoked.
Jul 16 21:10:32 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:10:34 *    draven (n=draven@user-0cdvmv9.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 16 21:10:46 kanarip    !
Jul 16 21:10:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 21:11:09 kanarip    anything about getting access to the chart? EOF
Jul 16 21:11:17 Sonar_Gal    3. # Document our testing process to include step by step procedures for testing DVD and CD ISOs, this document will also cover all arch types i386, x86_64, and PPC. This is not going to be an easy task and was started by Jeroen van Meeuwen, a rough draft of this is to be presented at the 13 August 2006 meeting for the meeting members to review and comment on the progress.
Jul 16 21:11:18 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-13
Jul 16 21:11:19 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Testing Team Lead and Jeroen van Meeuwen
Jul 16 21:11:21 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:
Jul 16 21:11:36 kanarip    !
Jul 16 21:11:51 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 21:12:52 kanarip    a rough draft of the general process is finished, and i'll talk to the different leads to see if it is correct and sufficient. I'll also be working on getting the documentation done on the actual testing and it will be available for review at the above set date
Jul 16 21:12:54 kanarip    EOF
Jul 16 21:14:02 Sonar_Gal    4. # Discuss adding a README to the ISO Directory that inclues Fedora Unity HOW-TOs on running SHA1SUM from Windows/Linux and Burning an ISO Image from both Windows/Linux. Both of these HOW-TOs also need to be added to FedoraSolved.Org
Jul 16 21:14:03 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-30
Jul 16 21:14:03 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 16 21:14:03 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Bob Jensen to complete 20060706, then we will then have to re-torrent the data and have our seeds get the new torrent. Message to be sent on the Test-List notifying that seeds will have to redownload after the change. To be addressed in the next release.
Jul 16 21:14:33 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:14:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:15:19 EvilBob    Work stalled with my medical situation, was hoping to have this for July's release but will have it for Aug
Jul 16 21:15:25 EvilBob    eof
Jul 16 21:15:50 corwyn    ?
Jul 16 21:15:57 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:16:06 corwyn    Change due date to 16 Aug?
Jul 16 21:16:09 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:16:12 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:16:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:16:23 EvilBob    No we need this for the Aug 1 Release
Jul 16 21:16:26 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:16:33 corwyn    ! ok eof
Jul 16 21:16:38 Sonar_Gal    the due date of July 30 stands
Jul 16 21:16:55 Sonar_Gal    5. # Discuss the translating of the various Fedora Unity sites to other Languages.
Jul 16 21:16:56 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-OCT
Jul 16 21:16:56 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 16 21:16:56 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: Tabled till September/October timeframe after the release of FC6.
Jul 16 21:17:15 Sonar_Gal    This Item has been tabled til Sept/Oct release of FC6
Jul 16 21:17:29 Sonar_Gal    6. # Need to discuss the options for editors?
Jul 16 21:17:29 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-25
Jul 16 21:17:29 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Ben Williams
Jul 16 21:17:29 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:To be discussed at July 25 meeting.
Jul 16 21:17:51 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:17:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:18:20 EvilBob    I move that this task be droped, there is NOTHING wrong with the editors
Jul 16 21:18:25 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 21:18:26 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:18:28 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:18:30 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:18:30 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:18:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:19:05 Sonar_Guy    With the new kupu in the updated plone the issues that had plauged it earlier have been corrected.  I.E. it no longer mangles htmp.
Jul 16 21:19:08 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:19:17 Sonar_Guy    s/htmp/html
Jul 16 21:19:37 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:19:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:20:04 EvilBob    Motioned and 3 votes in agreement can it be pulled?
Jul 16 21:20:08 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:20:09 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 21:20:12 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 21:20:13 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:20:16 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:20:28 Sonar_Gal    Please remove this Item from the tasklist.
Jul 16 21:20:43 corwyn    ! done eof
Jul 16 21:20:44 Sonar_Gal    7. # Discuss adding metadata and Updating license agreement on each post and on all Fedora Unity Websites. Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this. Generate a submission process that would allow for the site to e-mail the members of the Content Team when a new post is submitted for review.
Jul 16 21:20:45 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-25
Jul 16 21:20:45 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 16 21:20:45 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: grammar/spelling also this is pushed till the next meeting. To be worked out on Mailing list; Work has starting on customizing the workflow. Tabled until 2006-JUL-25.
Jul 16 21:21:05 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:21:12 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:21:47 Sonar_Guy    Recommend we table this until daMaestro gets a chance to implement the Work Flow e-mails that has been working with. EOF
Jul 16 21:21:56 EvilBob    +1
Jul 16 21:22:00 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 21:22:01 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:22:03 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:22:13 daMaestro    !@
Jul 16 21:22:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 16 21:22:45 daMaestro    for right now, we can just have it email the state changes without user info
Jul 16 21:22:56 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 21:23:00 daMaestro    the only snag is calling the user info from PAS
Jul 16 21:23:25 daMaestro    i have not been able to work with it much.. but we can email an action has happened (state change) and have the url attached
Jul 16 21:23:27 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 16 21:23:40 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:23:41 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:23:46 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:24:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:24:33 Sonar_Guy    The reason for recommending the tabling is so that we can change the state on all posts to public viewable, this will give us an e-mail to track what posts have not yet had the metadata updated.
Jul 16 21:25:02 Sonar_Guy    This will simplify the task of updating all the posts by having the e-mail for tracking. EOF
Jul 16 21:26:21 Sonar_Gal    8.  # Index sites scattered through fedoraforum.org Links forum and add them to the FedoraUnity.Org site as applicable.
Jul 16 21:26:21 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-01
Jul 16 21:26:21 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Scott Glaser
Jul 16 21:26:21 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: This task is somewhat in progress, It has been suggested that Scott also look at the Redhat Solutions and verify that we do not replicate content already posted there. This was brought up on fedora last night.
Jul 16 21:26:44 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:26:51 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:26:58 Sonar_Guy    Recommend moving this to a Pri 2 or 3 Task.
Jul 16 21:27:00 Sonar_Guy    EOF
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Jul 16 21:27:49 EvilBob    +1
Jul 16 21:28:11 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:28:14 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:28:38 Sonar_Gal    9. # Next update to RESPIN ISOs of FC5.
Jul 16 21:28:39 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: Completed
Jul 16 21:28:39 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Re-Spin Team
Jul 16 21:28:39 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: First Re-Spin release it out dated 2006-May-23, Next release for test is due 3rd week of June. Bob tested i386 and x86_64, both work, will shoot for a snapshot tuesday. To be fully completed 2006-JUL-09.
Jul 16 21:29:28 Sonar_Gal    This task has been completed but needs to be updated for the next release?  what dates or should this come off the list?
Jul 16 21:29:29 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:29:34 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:29:48 EvilBob    Update the dates for the pending August release
Jul 16 21:30:16 EvilBob    I have not yet done the pre-test spins
Jul 16 21:30:30 EvilBob    will be doing that in the next day or so
Jul 16 21:30:33 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:30:34 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:30:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:30:49 *    Questor (n=ident@fedora/questor) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 16 21:31:02 *    EvilBob waves to Questor
Jul 16 21:31:09 *    Questor waves back :)
Jul 16 21:31:15 *    Sonar_Gal says evening to Questor
Jul 16 21:31:35 Sonar_Guy    We need to check bugs, I discovered a critical bug in the respins that is not due to anything that our re-spins have done but it directly impacts installing on promise stata hardware.
Jul 16 21:31:53 *    Questor say evening to Sonar_Gal & everyone
Jul 16 21:32:04 kanarip    !
Jul 16 21:32:09 Sonar_Guy    The last kernel that this worked in was 2133. Anything after that will not run on such hardware.
Jul 16 21:32:10 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:32:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 21:32:24 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:33:06 kanarip    are there any know technical details on this, and can we discuss it after the meeting? i feel there are more bugs that are not due to anything we do with the re-spins but have impact anyway
Jul 16 21:33:08 kanarip    EOF
Jul 16 21:33:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:33:17 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: OK some of this is beyond our control, how much do we have to look for?
Jul 16 21:33:20 EvilBob    eof
Jul 16 21:33:30 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:33:48 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:34:24 Sonar_Guy    Not much, I think a note for people to check bugzilla for possible hardware concerns would cover us.  Here is the bug I was refering to https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=197441 EOF
Jul 16 21:34:38 corwyn    !
Jul 16 21:34:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:35:35 corwyn    although this is not necessarily our fault, users will still need to be able to report issues. We need a bugzilla for just such things, if it turns out to be a fedora project issue, we can then make a post on their bugzilla.
Jul 16 21:35:37 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:36:04 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 21:36:13 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:36:20 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:37:06 Sonar_Guy    This would give others a place to put the bug in our control, even if the answer it to post a link to the actual bug in redhats bugzilla.
Jul 16 21:37:08 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:37:19 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 21:37:41 corwyn    ?
Jul 16 21:37:43 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 21:37:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:37:55 corwyn    what date do you want this moved to?
Jul 16 21:37:56 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:38:07 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:38:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:39:30 EvilBob    remember there is a very good chance with the FC6 release we will not need to do re-spins do we want to spend resources on something that is going to "go away"
Jul 16 21:39:52 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:39:55 corwyn    !
Jul 16 21:40:00 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:40:01 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:40:21 corwyn    until we know for sure, we have to go with the idea that we will continue with respins, to be on the safe side
Jul 16 21:40:23 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:40:31 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:40:50 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:41:06 Sonar_Guy    Speaking with Will the other day it does not appear if they will be going away as soon as we think.
Jul 16 21:41:07 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:41:19 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:41:41 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:42:28 EvilBob    Personally I feel that using our resources for other things will be a better long term investment, How about we move any ideas of BZ to the point of the FC6 release in October whenwe will have even less time to deal with such things.
Jul 16 21:43:07 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:43:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:43:26 Sonar_Guy    Agreed I recommend moving it out to Nov/Dec Time Frame, Also here is a pre-build VM of bugzilla to make the install easy. http://www.vmware.com/vmtn/appliances/directory/54
Jul 16 21:43:28 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 21:44:16 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:44:18 daMaestro    !
Jul 16 21:44:24 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:45:35 EvilBob    For those of you who do not know from what I understand Bugzilla is a nightmare to deal with and I do not see us having the resources at this time
Jul 16 21:45:35 EvilBob    Just my opinion
Jul 16 21:45:37 EvilBob    and what I have been told
Jul 16 21:45:39 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:45:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 16 21:46:15 daMaestro    i will try a full install of BZ and try to get it to use FDS to auth to it (using the same user accounts we have for plone) EOF
Jul 16 21:46:34 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 21:46:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 21:46:58 Questor    ?
Jul 16 21:47:17 Sonar_Guy    daMaestro: No rush, lets give it till nov/dec timeframe, it is possible that there will be that zope+plone bug tracker available by then. EOF
Jul 16 21:47:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives Questor the floor.
Jul 16 21:47:36 *    Em (i=emily@user-69-1-7-5.knology.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 16 21:48:48 daMaestro    !
Jul 16 21:49:24 Questor    (Actually, a ! and ?)  Somehow, it seems to me if Unity is in the business of doing periodic Re-Spins, what we are effectively doing is putting out a Fedora product.  Maybe there could be bugs introduced from the Re-Spin process, but I would think those would be few.  Bugzilla would seem to me like an overkill for people to report bugs to us, as really wouldn't most eveything would be upstream's responsibility and be more appropriate for Fedora's Bu
Jul 16 21:49:24 Questor    gzilla?
Jul 16 21:49:49 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:50:00 daMaestro    X
Jul 16 21:50:06 corwyn    !
Jul 16 21:50:21 daMaestro    !
Jul 16 21:50:35 Sonar_Gal    Questor, EOF?
Jul 16 21:51:21 Questor    F
Jul 16 21:51:24 Questor    EOF
Jul 16 21:51:27 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:51:37 Questor    (sorry)
Jul 16 21:51:49 EvilBob    Questor: Well said, I agree 100%. We are not dealing with original content here, upstream should be the place. EOF
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Jul 16 21:52:08 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:52:10 corwyn    if we instroduce a bug due to the re-spin, and people post to fedora's bugzilla, that will only cause problems. If people post bugs to our own BZ, we can then pass them on to fedora's bugzilla. People in general will blame bugs on where they got the distro, regardless.
Jul 16 21:52:34 corwyn    we do not want to alienate the Fedora Project by people posting bugs that are our fault.
Jul 16 21:52:34 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:52:36 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:52:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 16 21:53:01 daMaestro    I want to try out getting bugzilla to auth to our current ldap system as a test for things I am going to push to help with the fedora infrastructure team
Jul 16 21:53:18 daMaestro    so if we have even a slight use for it.. i have plans to try it at some time here
Jul 16 21:53:19 daMaestro    oef
Jul 16 21:53:38 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:53:52 EvilBob    corwyn: actually whe few items that have been reported in RH's BZ that have referenced our re-spins have been few, and in one case I know that upstream was glad they got the report the way they did.
Jul 16 21:53:55 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:54:20 corwyn    !
Jul 16 21:54:35 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 21:55:03 corwyn    I believe in being cautious, but you know the fedora devs better than I do, I just don't want to see a political problem with them.
Jul 16 21:55:04 corwyn    eof
Jul 16 21:56:03 EvilBob    Next?
Jul 16 21:56:11 corwyn    ! post redated to NOV/DEC timeframe eof
Jul 16 21:56:17 Sonar_Gal    10. # Test next release for Fedora Unity Re-Spins.
Jul 16 21:56:18 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: Completed
Jul 16 21:56:18 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Test-Team
Jul 16 21:56:18 Sonar_Gal              o Ben Williams to Supervise this task. Please communicate with him to see what needs to be done to prevent un-needed overlaps
Jul 16 21:56:18 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: All testing to be completed No later than 2006-JUN-30. Update the testing matrix as you complete a task on the list.
Jul 16 21:56:52 Sonar_Gal    this is completed needs to be updated for next release and Ben Williams changed to TestLead.
Jul 16 21:56:59 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 21:57:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 21:57:21 EvilBob    I will be supervising all tests
Jul 16 21:57:32 daMaestro    !
Jul 16 21:57:58 EvilBob    this item is a duplicate of one we reopened eariler and redated
Jul 16 21:58:02 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 21:58:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 16 21:59:42 daMaestro    i think we should make some scripts to do post-install tests
Jul 16 21:59:54 daMaestro    that will result in a file to be uploaded to report the install
Jul 16 22:00:08 daMaestro    include things like cat /var/log/messages|grep avc
Jul 16 22:00:16 daMaestro    cat /root/install.log
Jul 16 22:00:21 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 22:00:23 daMaestro    yum check-update
Jul 16 22:00:25 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 16 22:00:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 22:01:41 EvilBob    daMaestro: damn good idea, I am sure wwoods and jkeating may have some input for us on this. mspevack has emailed me about getting wwoods and release engineering working with us
Jul 16 22:01:59 EvilBob    this should help us quite a bit
Jul 16 22:02:04 corwyn    !!
Jul 16 22:02:26 EvilBob    more info will be coming on this next week, I would like to get a dialog going before I go in to detail
Jul 16 22:02:27 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 22:02:35 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 16 22:02:37 corwyn    move to remove item 9 or 10 eof
Jul 16 22:02:44 Sonar_Gal    no
Jul 16 22:03:26 Sonar_Gal    They are the same in some ways but not all ways.  9 is doing the re-spins 10 is testing of the re-spins and setting a date for completion of testing
Jul 16 22:04:04 *    corwyn withdraws proposition
Jul 16 22:04:38 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 22:04:39 Sonar_Gal    ok roundabout date of test respin release?
Jul 16 22:04:53 EvilBob    !!
Jul 16 22:04:57 Sonar_Gal    Date of testing matrix completion?
Jul 16 22:05:01 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Gal the floor.
Jul 16 22:05:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 22:05:34 Sonar_Guy    I think redefining both task would help make sense, the first should be to complete spinning of the ISOs by a certain date, the second should be the date that all testing must be completed and documented.
Jul 16 22:05:36 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 22:05:48 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 22:06:10 kanarip    !
Jul 16 22:06:46 EvilBob    Let me check my dates so we can update 9 and 10, pre-test spin by the 19th, re-spin for testing by the 23rd, release targetthe 30th or the 2nd?
Jul 16 22:07:00 EvilBob    inout please
Jul 16 22:07:04 EvilBob    input
Jul 16 22:07:08 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 22:07:14 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 22:07:25 Sonar_Gal    If the respin is completed by the 23 then testing should be completed the 30th
Jul 16 22:07:28 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 22:07:29 Sonar_Guy    X
Jul 16 22:07:35 Sonar_Guy    ?
Jul 16 22:07:54 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 22:07:57 kanarip    suggested by southern_gentleman was to have at least a week for completing the testing process. taking into account that the re-spin must also be distributed, you could estimate the date the build needs to complete?
Jul 16 22:07:57 kanarip    EOF
Jul 16 22:08:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 22:08:23 Sonar_Guy    Is there anyway we can check with the Fedora Project Developers on the release of he next kerenel so we do not have what happened last time?  The day after we spun a new kernel was released.
Jul 16 22:08:24 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 22:08:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 22:08:50 EvilBob    the re-spin will be availalbe on the 23rd, you tell me how long it will take to test
Jul 16 22:09:00 kanarip    !
Jul 16 22:09:09 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 16 22:09:30 Sonar_Gal    I feel 7 days after release is sufficiant time.  So 23rd+7 is the 30th
Jul 16 22:09:58 EvilBob    OK
Jul 16 22:09:58 Sonar_Gal    Bob EOF?
Jul 16 22:10:03 EvilBob    eof
Jul 16 22:10:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives kanarip the floor.
Jul 16 22:10:05 kanarip    i suggest to have one week for testing, but i won't be able to contribute this release while i'm on a holiday, EOF
Jul 16 22:10:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 16 22:10:21 Sonar_Guy    1 week should suffice in my eyes, any more is just beating a dead horse.  Also I recommend posting on the Fedora Development List as proposed by mether to get more testers involved.
Jul 16 22:10:22 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 16 22:10:36 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 22:10:40 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 22:10:43 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 22:10:50 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 22:10:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives EvilBob the floor.
Jul 16 22:11:31 EvilBob    WILL WORK WITHTHE SUGGESTED TEAM OF WWOODS AND JKEATING ON THIS RE-spin before going for bigger waters
Jul 16 22:11:42 EvilBob    sorry about the caps
Jul 16 22:11:46 EvilBob    EOF
Jul 16 22:11:47 Sonar_Gal    lol
Jul 16 22:11:50 Sonar_Gal    ok
Jul 16 22:11:51 kanarip    +1 too...
Jul 16 22:11:59 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 22:12:14 *    Sonar_Guy dives under the couch!
Jul 16 22:12:14 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 22:12:31 Sonar_Gal    ok I am going to bring up Item 1 Again so this can be dicussed and something decided on meeting times and days.
Jul 16 22:12:41 Sonar_Gal    # Poll current Meeting Attendees with a plan to alternate the meetings weekly.
Jul 16 22:12:42 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-16
Jul 16 22:12:42 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED:Unity-Team
Jul 16 22:12:42 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: Currently the Meetings are 9PM EST Sunday Evenings, Ideas tabled are One meeting at the normal time and one at 2PM EST Sunday or One Wednesday at 9PM EST and one on Sundays at 2PM EST.  This is open for dicussion and a Vote will be taken after the discusssion on the Due Date.
Jul 16 22:13:04 Sonar_Gal    this topic is open floor for discussion.
Jul 16 22:13:11 EvilBob    !
Jul 16 22:13:28 kanarip    open discussion EvilBob
Jul 16 22:13:28 Sonar_Gal    open floor for this topic
Jul 16 22:13:39 EvilBob    sunday afternoon is going to be hard for me to make over the rest of the summer
Jul 16 22:14:17 Sonar_Guy    Maybe a day time meeting one day during the week, I think that will only impact me.
Jul 16 22:14:19 kanarip    EvilBob, how about the other times, sunday evening or wednesday evening?
Jul 16 22:14:38 EvilBob    Wednesdays have always been out "hump day" to get things done as needed, I hate to lose that
Jul 16 22:14:50 EvilBob    s/out/our
Jul 16 22:15:05 corwyn    !
Jul 16 22:15:08 Sonar_Gal    I think we should so one sunday the following week what about Tue or Fri
Jul 16 22:15:46 EvilBob    thursday about 6 would work here
Jul 16 22:16:07 EvilBob    that is two hours eariler
Jul 16 22:16:08 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 22:16:11 corwyn    Wednesday isn't good for me, I have prior commitment that involves other people. Another day, would be preferable
Jul 16 22:16:30 EvilBob    corwyn: yeah IMO wednesday is out
Jul 16 22:16:39 corwyn    thanks Bob :)
Jul 16 22:16:49 Sonar_Guy    EvilBob: 6 est?
Jul 16 22:17:00 EvilBob    Sonar_Guy: no 7 est
Jul 16 22:17:24 kanarip    that is 1 am CET
Jul 16 22:17:54 EvilBob    kanarip: would 3am CET be better?
Jul 16 22:17:56 corwyn    The idea of changing this was not to move the day so much as to get an earlier meeting for the european members
Jul 16 22:17:58 EvilBob    hehehe
Jul 16 22:18:12 Sonar_Guy    What about one in the early afternoon one day during the week?
Jul 16 22:18:48 EvilBob    what about 4 hours earlier on sunday?
Jul 16 22:18:53 kanarip    great!
Jul 16 22:19:01 kanarip    second on that EvilBob
Jul 16 22:19:07 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 22:19:21 EvilBob    everyother week with a 4 hour shift
Jul 16 22:19:47 kanarip    i'm sorry, that's lost in translation
Jul 16 22:19:48 Sonar_Gal    not every week but bi-weekly one at 9est the following week at 5est alternate weeks
Jul 16 22:19:59 kanarip    with a 4 hour shift?
Jul 16 22:20:12 kanarip    ah, alright
Jul 16 22:20:15 kanarip    i think i get it
Jul 16 22:20:37 EvilBob    sooner or later we will just have meetings around the clock
Jul 16 22:20:43 Sonar_Gal    like tonights meeting was at 9est next week it would be at 5est
Jul 16 22:21:24 corwyn    that works
Jul 16 22:21:30 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 22:21:34 Sonar_Guy    !!
Jul 16 22:21:35 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 22:21:36 kanarip    would that work for everyone?
Jul 16 22:21:39 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 22:21:46 Sonar_Guy    Recommend we vote on that plan.
Jul 16 22:22:03 EvilBob    I second that
Jul 16 22:22:06 Sonar_Gal    that way if everyone can't make every meeting then they can still get to 2 a month
Jul 16 22:22:25 kanarip    i'd appreciate that
Jul 16 22:22:37 Sonar_Gal    ok votes on Biweekly meeting times of 9est one week 5est the following?
Jul 16 22:22:40 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 22:22:42 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 22:22:43 corwyn    +1
Jul 16 22:22:57 EvilBob    +1
Jul 16 22:23:01 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 22:23:17 EvilBob    kanarip: it is a damn good thing we like you or we would have just told you to fuck off
Jul 16 22:23:21 Questor    +1
Jul 16 22:23:29 Sonar_Gal    ok the I's have it motion approved.  Next weeks meeting will be at 5 est
Jul 16 22:23:45 corwyn    remove from task list?
Jul 16 22:23:50 Sonar_Gal    yup
Jul 16 22:23:53 kanarip    EvilBob, i thought so, i was just about to mention i should not get in the way of regular meetings, i'm not in the lead or anything...
Jul 16 22:23:58 EvilBob    Hey an this way we can do some hacking after the meeting
Jul 16 22:24:03 kanarip    :)
Jul 16 22:24:13 Sonar_Guy    One more topic for Open Floor please!
Jul 16 22:24:26 kanarip    well, what are we hacking tonight?
Jul 16 22:24:29 Sonar_Gal    ok here is my favorite task.  for Bob and Jon  Back up the servers
Jul 16 22:24:53 Sonar_Gal    openfloor Sonar_Guy
Jul 16 22:25:16 Sonar_Guy    Anybody have any objections with corwyn taking on the position of Edit Team Lead, The position has been posted on the Edit Team list for a week and He is the only one that volunteered!!  Could we please vote on this now?
Jul 16 22:25:51 EvilBob    I have no objection as long as corwin wants it
Jul 16 22:26:10 corwyn    I wouldn't have volunteered if I didn't think I could do it
Jul 16 22:26:17 *    draven has quit ("Leaving")
Jul 16 22:26:26 daMaestro    +1
Jul 16 22:26:31 kanarip    +1
Jul 16 22:26:34 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 16 22:26:38 Questor    +1
Jul 16 22:26:52 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 16 22:27:00 *    corwyn abstains from voting on this one
Jul 16 22:27:05 EvilBob    +11
Jul 16 22:27:12 Questor    (I hope "+1" doesn't mean "I object")
Jul 16 22:27:16 Questor    :)
Jul 16 22:27:17 kanarip    +11 even?
Jul 16 22:27:25 Sonar_Gal    ok the eye's have it corwyn is now the Head Editor.
Jul 16 22:27:34 kanarip    EvilBob, you must really like corwyn to have that position :)
Jul 16 22:27:34 Sonar_Gal    Edit team lead
Jul 16 22:27:41 *    corwyn accepts humbly
Jul 16 22:27:44 EvilBob    corwyn: stay away from my head
Jul 16 22:27:46 kanarip    congratulations corwyn
Jul 16 22:27:55 EvilBob    corwyn: I need no editing
Jul 16 22:28:02 Sonar_Gal    hehe
Jul 16 22:28:04 corwyn    hehe
Jul 16 22:28:06 EvilBob    corwyn: censoring yes
Jul 16 22:28:16 *    corwyn nods
Jul 16 22:28:16 EvilBob    hehehe
Jul 16 22:28:34 EvilBob    kanarip: as long as I do not have to do it
Jul 16 22:28:47 corwyn    do we need to adjust the date of item 2?
Jul 16 22:28:55 *    Questor is sleepy, must depart.  Congratulations, Corwyn!  :)
Jul 16 22:29:02 corwyn    night Questor
Jul 16 22:29:05 corwyn    thanks
Jul 16 22:29:08 *    Questor has quit ("Leaving")
Jul 16 22:29:24 Sonar_Gal    corwyn, Item 2 is completed and needs to come off the list.
Jul 16 22:29:29 Sonar_Guy    I will update the org chart, now to answer your question kanarip we kept it private until all positions were filled and due to the task for everbody to respond to the e-mail about their position here on Fedora Unity, Now that all seats have been filled it will become public and a description of each position will be worked out with a listing of responsibilities.
Jul 16 22:29:32 corwyn    ok
Jul 16 22:29:57 kanarip    great Sonar_Guy :)
Jul 16 22:30:01 corwyn    marked completed, will come off next meeting
Jul 16 22:30:08 Sonar_Gal    thanks
Jul 16 22:30:35 Sonar_Gal    Bob/Jon Back up the servers
Jul 16 22:30:52 EvilBob    yup yup yup
Jul 16 22:30:53 *    draven (n=draven@user-0cdvmv9.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 16 22:30:56 Sonar_Gal    Any new Items that need to be discussed?
Jul 16 22:30:59 daMaestro    EvilBob, will you do the snapshot
Jul 16 22:31:00 EvilBob    we have some updates to do also
Jul 16 22:31:09 daMaestro    and then tonight I will move us over to extras version of plone/zope
Jul 16 22:31:17 corwyn    tast list updated and saved
Jul 16 22:31:24 EvilBob    daMaestro: I will also be doing full backups tonight
Jul 16 22:32:15 EvilBob    the sites will be down for about 1 hour tonight starting about 11 PM my time
Jul 16 22:32:22 *    Sonar_Guy Motions to close the meeting!!
Jul 16 22:32:30 EvilBob    I second
Jul 16 22:32:30 daMaestro    EvilBob, ok.. i will wait to do the switch over until after the full backup
Jul 16 22:33:00 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close