Meeting Minutes for 23 July 2006

Jul 23 21:04:18 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order.
Jul 23 21:04:26 Sonar_Gal    I didn't
Jul 23 21:04:32 Sonar_Gal    I was here you weren't
Jul 23 21:04:34 BobJensen    Oh wait it was me that missed the meeting
Jul 23 21:04:39 Sonar_Gal    1. # Poll current contributors as to where they see themselves in the Unity Project now (what thier duties are) and what they want to learn and do in addition.
Jul 23 21:04:39 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: Completed
Jul 23 21:04:39 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED:Unity-Team
Jul 23 21:04:39 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: Please respond to this e-mail so we can update the Organization Chart located at http://fedoraunity.org/fedora-unity-organization you will need to log in to view the file.  And yes the colors will be corrected later this week. Please see: http://lists.fedoraunity.org/mailman/listinfo/unity-team for posting if you haven't received it yet. Scott will also repost to the list. Extra rights (ie: review/editor) will be
Jul 23 21:04:42 Sonar_Gal     removed from those that have not responded. E-mails will be sent to those who's rights have been lowered.
Jul 23 21:05:13 Sonar_Gal    this Item is completed and can be removed from the task list.
Jul 23 21:05:25 BobJensen    +1
Jul 23 21:05:25 Sonar_Gal    2. # Document our testing process to include step by step procedures for testing DVD and CD ISOs, this document will also cover all arch types i386, x86_64, and PPC. This is not going to be an easy task and was started by Jeroen van Meeuwen, a rough draft of this is to be presented at the 13 August 2006 meeting for the meeting members to review and comment on the progress.
Jul 23 21:05:26 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-AUG-13
Jul 23 21:05:26 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Testing Team Lead and Jeroen van Meeuwen
Jul 23 21:05:26 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES:  1st rough draft has been completed. Further cleanup/editting required.
Jul 23 21:06:23 Sonar_Gal    ANy updates on Item 2?
Jul 23 21:06:25 Sonar_Gal    kanarip,
Jul 23 21:06:46 BobJensen    0
Jul 23 21:06:52 corwyn    ?
Jul 23 21:07:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:07:06 corwyn    does the edit team need to be involved in this one?
Jul 23 21:07:09 corwyn    eof
Jul 23 21:07:25 Sonar_Gal    Not until it is ready for editting.
Jul 23 21:07:44 Sonar_Gal    3. # Discuss adding a README to the ISO Directory that inclues Fedora Unity HOW-TOs on running SHA1SUM from Windows/Linux and Burning an ISO Image from both Windows/Linux. Both of these HOW-TOs also need to be added to FedoraSolved.Org
Jul 23 21:07:44 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-30
Jul 23 21:07:44 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 23 21:07:44 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: Bob Jensen to complete 20060706, then we will then have to re-torrent the data and have our seeds get the new torrent. Message to be sent on the Test-List notifying that seeds will have to redownload after the change. To be addressed in the next release.
Jul 23 21:07:57 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:08:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:08:22 BobJensen    Working on this this week
Jul 23 21:09:24 BobJensen    corwyn: yes edit team will be in that other task whenthe time comes
Jul 23 21:09:29 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:09:39 Sonar_Gal    4. # Discuss the translating of the various Fedora Unity sites to other Languages.
Jul 23 21:09:39 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-SEP-OCT
Jul 23 21:09:39 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 23 21:09:39 Sonar_Gal              * NOTES: Tabled till September/October timeframe after the release of FC6.
Jul 23 21:10:15 Sonar_Gal    This task has been tabled till Sept/Oct so if no updates we can continue on to 5.
Jul 23 21:10:45 Sonar_Gal    5. # Discuss adding metadata and Updating license agreement on each post and on all Fedora Unity Websites. Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this. Generate a submission process that would allow for the site to e-mail the members of the Content Team when a new post is submitted for review.
Jul 23 21:10:45 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-25
Jul 23 21:10:45 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Edit-Team
Jul 23 21:10:45 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: grammar/spelling also this is pushed till the next meeting. To be worked out on Mailing list; Work has starting on customizing the workflow. Tabled until 2006-JUL-25.
Jul 23 21:10:52 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:10:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:11:35 BobJensen    Was talkign with Scott abotu this, I think we are going to try putting the License in to the site template to make this easier
Jul 23 21:11:37 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:11:46 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 23 21:11:55 corwyn    +1
Jul 23 21:11:56 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 23 21:12:31 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:12:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:12:57 daMaestro    we could also get a python programmer to script the setting up the 'copyright' for each content item
Jul 23 21:13:10 daMaestro    however, i agree with just doing it site wide.. and calling it a finished item EOF
Jul 23 21:13:38 corwyn    !
Jul 23 21:13:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:13:56 corwyn    let's make it sitewide and get the task completed
Jul 23 21:13:58 corwyn    eof
Jul 23 21:14:08 daMaestro    ?
Jul 23 21:14:10 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:14:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:14:22 daMaestro    does this mean we need to update our template? fix all the current posts?
Jul 23 21:14:24 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 23 21:14:32 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 23 21:14:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:14:56 BobJensen    Update the site emplate and remove the copyright from the post template, can we make this happen somehw this week?
Jul 23 21:14:59 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:15:12 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:15:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 23 21:15:46 Sonar_Guy    By putting it in the site template it will be displayed on everthing that is pulled up in the site, completeing the task.  No need to have it in every post.
Jul 23 21:15:48 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 23 21:15:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:15:56 daMaestro    those two tasks would take about 15 minutes.. however, updating the actual content items would take a little time.. but could be done in about 30-60 minutes EOF
Jul 23 21:16:32 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:16:37 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:17:22 BobJensen    daMaestro: I would like to come up with an original template sooner or later but if you can put the copyright info in to the current template footer that would be a big start
Jul 23 21:17:24 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:17:38 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:17:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:18:45 daMaestro    i will update the site template for all the sites.. i will also update our posting template (i have some changes I would really like to see setup) .. if we divided up the sites between willing members the removal of the copyright notice for the current content would take very little time EOF
Jul 23 21:19:12 corwyn    !
Jul 23 21:19:16 BobJensen    +1
Jul 23 21:19:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:19:44 corwyn    if any manual editting is needed let me know, I'll be glad to handle it...any help is also appreciated
Jul 23 21:19:45 corwyn    eof
Jul 23 21:19:51 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:19:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:20:47 daMaestro    corwyn, lets knock it out tonight.. using FF tabs.. you can open all the content in a site and then edit them one by one.. really easy to do.. and by using the tabs.. it is very quick and doing something as simple as deleting the copyright notice should take more time to load the page then to do the edit
Jul 23 21:21:20 daMaestro    i just ask all people working on it work together and are clear on *what* site and content they are going to update
Jul 23 21:21:22 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 23 21:21:33 corwyn    !
Jul 23 21:21:38 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:22:03 corwyn    let's get together after the meeting and do it then, we can coordinate sites between people. thank you
Jul 23 21:22:05 corwyn    eof
Jul 23 21:22:19 BobJensen    +1
Jul 23 21:22:24 corwyn    +1
Jul 23 21:22:27 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 23 21:22:28 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 23 21:22:28 daMaestro    +!
Jul 23 21:22:31 daMaestro    lol
Jul 23 21:22:42 Sonar_Gal    ok can we continue with the next item?
Jul 23 21:22:46 daMaestro    yeds
Jul 23 21:22:52 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: yup
Jul 23 21:23:00 Sonar_Gal    6. # Next update to RESPIN ISOs of FC5.
Jul 23 21:23:00 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-23
Jul 23 21:23:00 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Re-Spin Team
Jul 23 21:23:00 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: First Re-Spin release it out dated 2006-May-23, Next release for test is due 3rd week of June. Bob tested i386 and x86_64, both work, will shoot for a snapshot tuesday. To be fully completed 2006-JUL-09. Waiting to see if FC6 will still need respins. Next respin ready for testing 2006-JUL-23
Jul 23 21:23:20 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:23:25 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:23:30 daMaestro    do we want to release with the current kernel? there are sata issues
Jul 23 21:23:38 Sonar_Guy    !
Jul 23 21:23:41 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:23:45 Sonar_Gal    hehe
Jul 23 21:23:48 corwyn    !
Jul 23 21:23:50 daMaestro    do we just cover our rear and link to the bugreports for the kernel we include? EOF
Jul 23 21:23:57 *    Sonar_Gal gives Sonar_Guy the floor.
Jul 23 21:24:50 Sonar_Guy    there have been sata issues since 2145 kernel was released.
Jul 23 21:24:52 Sonar_Guy    EPF
Jul 23 21:24:58 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Jul 23 21:25:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:25:01 BobJensen    I think we should use the time now while davej gets the next kernel ready to get PPC and CDs ready
Jul 23 21:25:12 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 23 21:25:20 BobJensen    and hope at the same time that there are LESS issues with the next
Jul 23 21:25:27 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:25:27 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:25:30 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:25:31 corwyn    if we follow our mandate, then we really have no choice but to include the current kernel. Some sort of note should be included regarding any issue with it though.
Jul 23 21:25:51 corwyn    we can include a follow up kernel if one releases before we release eof
Jul 23 21:25:52 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:25:57 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:26:06 daMaestro    does this mean we are going to release with the current kernel? EOF
Jul 23 21:26:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:26:24 BobJensen    corwyn: I know that right now I can fail the tests enough to make the release not happen
Jul 23 21:26:41 *    Em (i=emily@user-69-1-7-5.knology.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 23 21:26:42 BobJensen    corwyn: just trying to prevent that by waiting
Jul 23 21:27:08 BobJensen    corwyn: do you see where I am coming from?
Jul 23 21:27:11 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:27:12 corwyn    !
Jul 23 21:27:14 Sonar_Gal    I say let this go til Tuesday or Wednesday and see if a new kernal is released.  If it is then do the ISO and get it out for testing.
Jul 23 21:27:21 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:27:52 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:27:58 corwyn    I agree with BobJensen's comments, and if it fails testing, then we won't release anyway, so either way we're covered, aren't we?
Jul 23 21:27:59 corwyn    eof
Jul 23 21:28:05 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:28:08 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:28:09 daMaestro    are we not willing to pull the updates from testing to force the new kernel for the ISO release?
Jul 23 21:28:11 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 23 21:28:44 daMaestro    not that I am agaist waiting*
Jul 23 21:28:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:28:48 BobJensen    Yes we are covered but i see no point in distributing somethign for testing we know will fail on select hardware
Jul 23 21:29:11 BobJensen    I think waiting up to 5 days is not unreasonable
Jul 23 21:29:17 daMaestro    +1
Jul 23 21:29:18 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:29:20 Sonar_Gal    +1
Jul 23 21:29:20 corwyn    +1
Jul 23 21:29:25 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 23 21:29:30 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:29:30 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:29:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:29:48 daMaestro    do we have an inside channel to have some info on *when* the new kernel might be released? EOF
Jul 23 21:30:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:30:08 BobJensen    OK sounds ike we are in agreement to wait for davej's next kernel and push the ISO at that time
Jul 23 21:30:14 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:30:34 Sonar_Gal    Bob you still have the floor
Jul 23 21:31:08 BobJensen    daMaestro: Davej has been out of the office will be back tomorrow it is my understanding that making FC6T2 work and a new kernel for FC5 will most likely be on the top of his priorities
Jul 23 21:31:41 BobJensen    again we don't know for sure but this is hte info I have been given
Jul 23 21:31:52 BobJensen    so i would expect a kernel this week
Jul 23 21:31:56 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:32:04 daMaestro    ?
Jul 23 21:32:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:32:17 daMaestro    could we please do a roll call for waiting for a new kernel? EOF
Jul 23 21:32:28 BobJensen    +1 new kernel
Jul 23 21:32:32 Sonar_Guy    +1
Jul 23 21:32:35 daMaestro    +1 new kernel
Jul 23 21:32:35 corwyn    +1
Jul 23 21:32:40 Sonar_Gal    +1 new kernal
Jul 23 21:32:54 Sonar_Guy    +1 new kernel
Jul 23 21:32:58 BobJensen    Any for going with what is out now?
Jul 23 21:33:03 Sonar_Gal    the Aye's have it we wait for a new kernal
Jul 23 21:33:19 BobJensen    I think it is a closed issue
Jul 23 21:33:26 Sonar_Gal    yes it is closed
Jul 23 21:33:29 BobJensen    thanks for your input everyone
Jul 23 21:33:49 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:33:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:34:20 BobJensen    I would still like to get out tests done ASAP once we have the ISOs so we can try to reach out target date
Jul 23 21:34:26 BobJensen    of aug 1
Jul 23 21:34:30 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:34:41 corwyn    ?
Jul 23 21:34:46 BobJensen    s/out/our x2
Jul 23 21:34:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives corwyn the floor.
Jul 23 21:34:51 corwyn    new due date for task 6? eof
Jul 23 21:35:06 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:35:09 Sonar_Gal    blank for now corwyn
Jul 23 21:35:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:35:26 BobJensen    corwyn: I think friday is reasonable
Jul 23 21:35:32 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:36:10 Sonar_Gal    ok next?
Jul 23 21:36:17 daMaestro    +1 new kernel
Jul 23 21:36:18 BobJensen    yup OK here
Jul 23 21:36:21 daMaestro    lol
Jul 23 21:36:23 *    draven (n=draven@user-0cdvmv9.cable.mindspring.com) has joined #fedora-unity
Jul 23 21:36:25 Sonar_Gal    7. # Test next release for Fedora Unity Re-Spins.
Jul 23 21:36:25 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-JUL-30
Jul 23 21:36:25 Sonar_Gal        * ASSIGNED: Test-Lead
Jul 23 21:36:25 Sonar_Gal              o NOTES: All testing to be completed No later than 2006-JUL-30. Update the testing matrix as you complete a task on the list.
Jul 23 21:36:42 daMaestro    !
Jul 23 21:36:44 Sonar_Gal    Has to do with ISO's Should we mark this for July 31st
Jul 23 21:36:47 *    Sonar_Gal gives daMaestro the floor.
Jul 23 21:37:03 daMaestro    i really like the concept of adding comments to the test matrix to include more information
Jul 23 21:37:13 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:37:49 daMaestro    should we also spend this down time waiting for a new kernel to develop a script that will give a file to be uploaded to our site for review?
Jul 23 21:37:57 daMaestro    EOF
Jul 23 21:38:00 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:38:02 daMaestro    *for testing
Jul 23 21:38:24 BobJensen    daMaestro: I think I will re-work the matrix this week so we can do that
Jul 23 21:39:04 BobJensen    daMaestro: want to look at that tonight after you get home?
Jul 23 21:39:09 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:39:20 Sonar_Gal    Bob Why do you get together with kanarip on that he has been working on that for the past 2 weeks?
Jul 23 21:39:47 daMaestro    bob .. yes
Jul 23 21:39:52 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: he is afk right now, but that is the plan when he gets back
Jul 23 21:39:52 daMaestro    i am actually at home tonight.
Jul 23 21:40:06 Sonar_Gal    Bob Good thanks
Jul 23 21:40:13 Sonar_Gal    ok next?
Jul 23 21:40:16 BobJensen    OK EOF
Jul 23 21:40:31 corwyn    yes
Jul 23 21:40:43 Sonar_Gal    8.    8. Create back-up of the servers Unity01, Unity02, and Unity03 every sunday after the meeting. Also create a backup prior to any major configuration change.
Jul 23 21:40:43 Sonar_Gal              * DATE DUE: On-Going
Jul 23 21:40:43 Sonar_Gal              * ASSIGNED: Bob Jensen
Jul 23 21:40:43 Sonar_Gal                    o NOTES: Backup, Backup, Backup!!
Jul 23 21:40:49 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:40:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives BobJensen the floor.
Jul 23 21:41:16 BobJensen    Backups were a little late last week because i passed out, but will get them done shortly
Jul 23 21:41:24 BobJensen    EOF
Jul 23 21:42:00 Sonar_Gal    That's the end of Pri 1 tasklist.
Jul 23 21:42:19 BobJensen    !
Jul 23 21:42:21 Sonar_Gal    Open floor for any discussion on Pri 1 tasks.
Jul 23 21:42:28 Sonar_Gal    open floor Bob
Jul 23 21:42:48 BobJensen    WTF? 40 minutes and we are done? How the hell does that happen?
Jul 23 21:42:53 BobJensen    LOL
Jul 23 21:43:02 corwyn    lol...short list, few people
Jul 23 21:43:06 Sonar_Gal    lol
Jul 23 21:43:37 BobJensen    Close the meeting, lets get to work
Jul 23 21:43:37 Sonar_Gal    Anything on Pri 1 list that needs to be discussed
Jul 23 21:44:13 corwyn    doesn't appear so
Jul 23 21:44:14 Sonar_Gal    This meeting is now closed thanks to everyone who attended.