Meeting Minutes for 30 April 2006

Apr 30 21:08:29 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to order.
Apr 30 21:08:36 *    daMaestro finishes up dinner
Apr 30 21:09:13 Sonar_Gal    ok What needs to be discussed tonight other than the task list?
Apr 30 21:09:56 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:10:05 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:10:49 Southern_Gentlem    i make the motion we go over the tasklist first then everything else afterwards
Apr 30 21:11:04 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 21:11:26 Sonar_Gal    ok
Apr 30 21:11:34 Sonar_Gal    here we go
Apr 30 21:11:36 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 21:11:37 Sonar_Gal    PRIORITY 1 TASKS:
Apr 30 21:11:55 Sonar_Gal    # Create a CVS/SVN mailing list.
Apr 30 21:11:55 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-05
Apr 30 21:12:26 BobJensen    correction
Apr 30 21:12:48 Sonar_Gal    Bob and that is
Apr 30 21:12:50 BobJensen    Setup a CVS or SVN and a mailing list
Apr 30 21:13:22 Sonar_Gal    ok
Apr 30 21:13:25 BobJensen    I have been working on other tasks so I have not even bothered Patrick about this item
Apr 30 21:13:58 daMaestro    mailing lists are easy... i have not setup svn yes
Apr 30 21:14:00 daMaestro    yet*
Apr 30 21:14:30 Sonar_Gal    the 5th is a Friday so say the 14th which is 2 weeks from today
Apr 30 21:14:44 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: Sure
Apr 30 21:14:45 Southern_Gentlem    makes the motion to change the date to may 31st
Apr 30 21:15:06 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:15:18 Sonar_Gal    Just also remember that the 14th is Mothers day
Apr 30 21:15:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:15:47 BobJensen    IMO the 15th is enough time to get the mailing lists done, I am not sure at this point if we need the SVN or CVS
Apr 30 21:16:05 Sonar_Gal    14th
Apr 30 21:16:24 BobJensen    So lets go with the 15th and maybe drop the versions systems later EOF
Apr 30 21:16:27 BobJensen    14th
Apr 30 21:16:39 BobJensen    s/15th/14th and repeat
Apr 30 21:16:53 Sonar_Gal    Bob we are trying to schedule everything due for Sundays
Apr 30 21:17:04 BobJensen    Sonar_Gal: I know it was my idea
Apr 30 21:17:08 BobJensen    hehehe
Apr 30 21:17:10 Sonar_Gal    lol
Apr 30 21:17:26 Sonar_Gal    #2
Apr 30 21:17:31 Sonar_Gal    # FedoraSearch.Org online for 30 APR 2006
Apr 30 21:17:31 Sonar_Gal        * DATE DUE: 2006-MAY-30
Apr 30 21:17:41 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:17:58 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:18:10 BobJensen    we are real close on this one, after a little oops on Friday Jon has really kicked ass getting this ready
Apr 30 21:18:45 BobJensen    we may be online yet tonight, so lets push the date to Wednesday and call a special short meeting
Apr 30 21:18:47 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:18:55 Sonar_Gal    ok
Apr 30 21:19:12 Sonar_Gal    #3
Apr 30 21:19:17 Sonar_Gal    # Discuss adding metadata and Updating license agreement on each post and on all Fedora Unity Websites.  Need a standard format for the metadata to make it easy for users and reviewers to do this. Generate a submission process that would allow for the site to e-mail the members of the Content Team when a new post is submitted for review.
Apr 30 21:19:27 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 21:19:42 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:19:52 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 21:20:48 daMaestro    plone meta is shared... for say.. in other words.. when a keyterm is added to a page.. it is available to be selected from a list
Apr 30 21:21:07 daMaestro    we need to make sure we don't duplicate
Apr 30 21:21:08 Southern_Gentlem    -!
Apr 30 21:21:26 daMaestro    and I think FC1 FC2 FC3, etc.. is what we should tag for versions
Apr 30 21:21:33 daMaestro    but we do need to standardize it
Apr 30 21:21:41 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:22:01 daMaestro    -!?
Apr 30 21:22:08 daMaestro    does that mean I am done?
Apr 30 21:22:12 daMaestro    or should I EOF:?
Apr 30 21:22:23 Sonar_Gal    EOF when done
Apr 30 21:22:27 BobJensen    You continue
Apr 30 21:22:33 *    daMaestro EOF
Apr 30 21:22:35 BobJensen    when done she will get to me
Apr 30 21:23:01 Southern_Gentlem    EOF
Apr 30 21:23:06 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:23:08 BobJensen    We are not doing anythign for the older releases, we are only focusing on the "current stable" versions for Fedora Core at this time
Apr 30 21:23:25 BobJensen    So I do not see how the example is relevent
Apr 30 21:23:25 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:23:28 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:23:45 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:23:59 Southern_Gentlem    current stable versions being fc4 and fc5
Apr 30 21:24:08 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:24:09 Sonar_Gal    yes
Apr 30 21:24:33 daMaestro    etc bob.. etc....
Apr 30 21:24:50 daMaestro    lol
Apr 30 21:25:26 *    Southern_Gentlem next
Apr 30 21:25:27 Sonar_Gal    ok ready for #4
Apr 30 21:25:34 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 21:25:43 Sonar_Gal    #4 Index sites scattered through fedoraforum.org Links forum and add them to the FedoraUnity.Org site as applicable.
Apr 30 21:25:58 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:26:04 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:26:38 Southern_Gentlem    i make a motion this is moved down the list since the due date is sept
Apr 30 21:26:42 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:27:07 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 21:27:17 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 21:27:36 daMaestro    so this would be a good time to work on getting the web-based submit system setup...
Apr 30 21:27:43 daMaestro    maybe add this to the item?
Apr 30 21:27:44 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 21:28:08 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:28:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:29:02 Southern_Gentlem    the web based systen would be nice, but i think we need to wait till we have the search server up and stable
Apr 30 21:29:09 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:29:24 daMaestro    +1
Apr 30 21:29:29 Sonar_Gal    +1
Apr 30 21:29:43 BobJensen    +1
Apr 30 21:29:54 Sonar_Gal    #5 # Generate a post about how to install 32bit firefox on 64bit system
Apr 30 21:30:27 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 21:30:36 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 21:30:46 Southern_Gentlem    so i made a motion to lower post four down in the list
Apr 30 21:31:00 Sonar_Gal    Southern_Gentlem, yes and it was excepted
Apr 30 21:31:13 Southern_Gentlem    so where are we going to move it
Apr 30 21:31:23 Sonar_Gal    pri 2 or 3
Apr 30 21:31:27 Sonar_Guy    Downloading ISOs for that as we speak, once I have it installed I will work on that post.
Apr 30 21:31:30 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:31:42 Sonar_Guy    eof
Apr 30 21:31:53 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:32:36 BobJensen    Items in our tasklist should be possitioned by three criteria, 1 the amount of man hours required, 2 the importance to the project and lastly the due date
Apr 30 21:33:10 Sonar_Gal    right
Apr 30 21:33:16 BobJensen    IMO the number of manhours required for this task prevents it from being move lower in the tasklist
Apr 30 21:33:22 Sonar_Gal    #4 is not due til Sept
Apr 30 21:33:24 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:33:28 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:33:33 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:34:57 Southern_Gentlem    and because of manhours it stay in pri #1 and because of the due date in sept i think it be moved below anything else due before then
Apr 30 21:35:21 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:36:12 Southern_Gentlem    eof sorry
Apr 30 21:36:56 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:37:15 BobJensen    If you signing on as task lead I have no problem with that...EOF
Apr 30 21:37:28 BobJensen    hehehe
Apr 30 21:38:02 BobJensen    Moving to 5 please
Apr 30 21:38:18 Southern_Gentlem    we need to deside this
Apr 30 21:38:24 Southern_Gentlem    decide
Apr 30 21:38:54 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:39:01 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:39:06 *    Southern_Gentlem motion that post 4 bemoved down to post 7 and 5 aand 6 be moved up
Apr 30 21:39:28 BobJensen    I move that we table that for a week to think about how important Fdora Forum's content is to our project
Apr 30 21:39:42 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:39:42 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 21:39:48 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 21:39:50 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:39:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:40:14 BobJensen    it may be that it is not important to us as a group and should be removed all together
Apr 30 21:40:19 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:40:38 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:40:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:41:08 Southern_Gentlem    but isnt this basicly why we are doing the search server
Apr 30 21:41:13 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:42:17 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:42:27 BobJensen    that is my point basically
Apr 30 21:42:30 BobJensen    oops
Apr 30 21:42:38 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:42:46 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:42:51 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:42:53 BobJensen    if the search works out we will not need this
Apr 30 21:42:57 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:43:07 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:43:31 Southern_Gentlem    but it does give us 3 months to make sure the server is stable
Apr 30 21:43:33 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:43:45 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 21:43:50 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 21:43:58 Sonar_Guy    Next Item!
Apr 30 21:43:59 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 21:44:04 Southern_Gentlem    =1
Apr 30 21:44:07 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 21:44:28 Sonar_Gal    #5 Generate a post about how to install 32bit firefox on 64bit system
Apr 30 21:44:33 Sonar_Guy    !!
Apr 30 21:44:34 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:44:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 21:44:44 Sonar_Guy    Downloading ISOs for that as we speak, once I have it installed I will work on that post.
Apr 30 21:44:45 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 21:44:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:45:16 Southern_Gentlem    shouldnt this post be as prioty @ post
Apr 30 21:45:19 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:45:33 Southern_Gentlem    2
Apr 30 21:45:37 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 21:45:49 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 21:46:52 BobJensen    +1
Apr 30 21:46:57 *    Sonar_Guy moved that down to the pri 2 tasks
Apr 30 21:47:01 Sonar_Gal    #6 Create RESPIN ISOs of FC5 to include all updates to the Core OS every 30 days
Apr 30 21:47:11 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:47:26 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:47:46 BobJensen    I am getting ready to spin the  first test ISO as we speak. Southern_Gentlem and I got things hacked out pretty well
Apr 30 21:47:52 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:48:05 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:48:07 *    perry753 (n=perry753@c-24-4-29-183.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #fedora-unity
Apr 30 21:48:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:49:45 Southern_Gentlem    Bob and I went thruogh the combined core and updates. deleted the packages that the updates updated, then we found out that fc5 doesnt have contain genhdlist any longer
Apr 30 21:50:05 Southern_Gentlem    bob ahs been gdigging and looking for a solution to this
Apr 30 21:50:06 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:50:13 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 21:50:20 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:50:57 BobJensen    here are the instructions I have been working on, a script to automagically remove the replaced files (Step 2) would help with automation
Apr 30 21:51:00 BobJensen    http://fedorasolved.org/Members/bobjensen/spinning-updated-isos-on-unity04/
Apr 30 21:51:34 BobJensen    Can I hold the floor a minute?
Apr 30 21:51:43 Sonar_Gal    yes
Apr 30 21:53:39 BobJensen    you can download the ISO for testing from http://unity04.fedoraunity.org/fedora/linux/5/i386/FC5-i386-DVD-unity20060501.iso with in a couple minutes
Apr 30 21:53:43 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:54:04 Sonar_Gal    ok
Apr 30 21:54:05 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 21:54:10 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 21:54:27 Southern_Gentlem    download via bittorent?
Apr 30 21:55:06 BobJensen    Only http right now
Apr 30 21:55:11 BobJensen    and it is available
Apr 30 21:55:17 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 21:55:25 BobJensen    !!!!!
Apr 30 21:55:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 21:55:44 BobJensen    We rock!
Apr 30 21:55:48 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 21:56:00 *    Southern_Gentlem downloading now
Apr 30 21:56:03 rjune    !
Apr 30 21:56:19 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
Apr 30 21:56:39 *    Sonar_Gal thinks OMG it's meeting night and Mr. June is here
Apr 30 21:56:47 *    Southern_Gentlem rjune????
Apr 30 21:56:50 rjune    :-P
Apr 30 21:57:08 rjune    I'll have a rudimentary vhost howto for email services
Apr 30 21:57:27 rjune    I'll need guinnea pi^W^W testors
Apr 30 21:58:12 rjune    EOF
Apr 30 21:58:21 Southern_Gentlem    rjune i have a vmware running fc5 that i want to play with that on
Apr 30 21:58:29 Sonar_Gal    #7 We need to review our posts and those that can be pushed to the Fedora Wiki FAQ should be moved, then for our purposes linking to the Wiki. This will allow the community to take over the upkeep.
Apr 30 21:59:12 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 21:59:17 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 21:59:21 daMaestro    what?
Apr 30 21:59:34 daMaestro    are we going to just move our content to the wiki?
Apr 30 21:59:47 daMaestro    why don't we use the wiki content type?
Apr 30 21:59:57 daMaestro    and allow users to upkeep the docs?
Apr 30 22:00:08 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:00:17 daMaestro    does anyone know if moinmoin supports XML file sharing?
Apr 30 22:00:19 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 22:00:24 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:00:24 daMaestro    *content sharing
Apr 30 22:00:51 BobJensen    Our content is licensed under the OPL for the purposed of sharing with the community
Apr 30 22:01:06 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:01:32 BobJensen    OUr goal is to contribute what we can when we can to the formal Fedora sites as allowed by thier content guidelines
Apr 30 22:01:56 BobJensen    this has been in our mission from the begining of time
Apr 30 22:03:05 BobJensen    and IMO should not change, if content is moved to the formal Wiki we can then no longer worry about its content directly as many people much more talented than us will be able to touch our works with out joining our project.
Apr 30 22:03:26 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:03:30 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:03:34 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:04:51 daMaestro    ok.. i don't have a problem with that model. I however have better hopes for our little project. how soon might we see plone on the offical fp.o .. I still have plans to setup full content sharing... so when an edit happens on one site.. it is reflected on the other sites
Apr 30 22:05:10 Sonar_Guy    X
Apr 30 22:05:16 daMaestro    this is part of why I am working on PlonePAS..
Apr 30 22:05:22 daMaestro    sharing full content..
Apr 30 22:05:26 daMaestro    storing the content in ldap
Apr 30 22:05:34 daMaestro    allowing all sites to make proposed changes and updates
Apr 30 22:05:41 daMaestro    unified user database, etc
Apr 30 22:06:00 daMaestro    we should not look to just use the current model.. but to improve upon it
Apr 30 22:06:05 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:06:33 daMaestro    this does assume the fp.o site is going to change to plone and wants to work with us.. but I think there are better ways to setup 'moving content over to the offical site(s)'
Apr 30 22:06:35 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 22:06:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:06:46 BobJensen    I agree but at this exact time we have to use the tools they have available to us, that is the Wiki
Apr 30 22:06:51 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:07:04 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 22:07:10 daMaestro    +0
Apr 30 22:07:32 daMaestro    1
Apr 30 22:07:33 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:07:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:08:11 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:08:25 daMaestro    i will work on it personally even if the group does not want it; it is a personal goal.. at is a very large part of many of my other projects and ideas I would like to get started on
Apr 30 22:09:01 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 22:09:14 daMaestro    i do not object to moving the content; but I do think there is a much better way that will bring the community together more then just reposting content
Apr 30 22:09:36 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:09:39 daMaestro    i would like to see a document database.. that anyone can use
Apr 30 22:09:57 daMaestro    and propose changes.. no matter what fancy CMS the individual site wants to use
Apr 30 22:10:04 nman64    !
Apr 30 22:10:15 daMaestro    i mean i guess a good example is what happens with svn/cvs...
Apr 30 22:10:16 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 22:10:18 Sonar_Guy    X
Apr 30 22:10:21 *    Southern_Gentlem Sonar_Guy  poke gal ans wake her up
Apr 30 22:10:35 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:10:51 BobJensen    we are only talking about 1 or 2 % of our posts that can be moved, the plonepas work needs to be done IMO no matter what
Apr 30 22:10:57 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:11:01 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 22:12:03 Southern_Gentlem    we still want plone for our sites EOF
Apr 30 22:12:16 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to nman64
Apr 30 22:12:19 nman64    The Documentation Project's grand goal has been to unify everything on a DocBook XML backend.  Ideally, that backend will live in CVS, and content could be pulled into the wiki or Plone or built into one of any number of other formats for distribution.
Apr 30 22:12:23 nman64    EOF
Apr 30 22:12:44 BobJensen    Right
Apr 30 22:12:46 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:12:52 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:13:40 BobJensen    IMO we should follow this model as long as out infrastructore can handle it for our content that is not FDP/FP.o compatable
Apr 30 22:13:52 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:13:56 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 22:13:58 Sonar_Gal    +1
Apr 30 22:14:20 daMaestro    what model? just reposting?
Apr 30 22:14:37 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:14:38 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:14:43 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:15:19 BobJensen    Making our content available to as many parties that want it through an accepted document format
Apr 30 22:15:30 daMaestro    +1
Apr 30 22:15:39 BobJensen    in this case DocBook XML
Apr 30 22:15:42 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:15:43 daMaestro    +1
Apr 30 22:15:48 Southern_Gentlem    +1
Apr 30 22:15:51 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 22:16:04 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:17:03 Sonar_Guy    The wiki is only a temp, ultimately all the data will be put under cvs control for inclusion to the release notes as required, once migrated the content will be removed from our site and replaced with a link to the Official Documentation.
Apr 30 22:17:04 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 22:17:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:18:12 daMaestro    ok.. i see how this might work now
Apr 30 22:18:26 daMaestro    I will look into docbook xml more
Apr 30 22:18:47 *    Southern_Gentlem next
Apr 30 22:19:01 daMaestro    we can use the search system to convert indexed pages into docbook... or, for say, output docbook xml for search results
Apr 30 22:19:56 daMaestro    I will work on this more later.. Southern_Gentlem +1
Apr 30 22:20:05 Sonar_Guy    +1
Apr 30 22:20:09 Sonar_Gal    #8 # Create back-up of the main server every sunday after the meeting.
Apr 30 22:20:56 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:21:19 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:21:50 BobJensen    we need to modify this task, should be Unity01, Unity02 and Unity03
Apr 30 22:22:06 BobJensen    I will complete this following any work that goes on after the meeting
Apr 30 22:22:12 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:22:26 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 22:22:38 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 22:22:53 Southern_Gentlem    i think all of our server should be backed up once a week
Apr 30 22:23:02 Southern_Gentlem    at least
Apr 30 22:23:02 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:23:03 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 22:23:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:23:23 BobJensen    Unity 04-06 are disposable
Apr 30 22:23:27 *    Sonar_Guy Updated the task list reload or http://fedoraunity.org/meeting-information/task-list
Apr 30 22:23:33 BobJensen    UNity 04 is a little more important
Apr 30 22:23:58 BobJensen    however the amount of disk usage in the end will make backups un reasonable
Apr 30 22:24:07 *    Sonar_Guy sprays Unity04 with a fire hose!!
Apr 30 22:24:14 Sonar_Gal    do not refresh the task list I am working from the orginial
Apr 30 22:24:19 BobJensen    backing up 100+ Gigs of data that is available on the net?
Apr 30 22:24:30 BobJensen    I do not think so
Apr 30 22:24:33 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:25:05 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 22:25:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 22:26:07 BobJensen    5
Apr 30 22:26:10 BobJensen    oops
Apr 30 22:26:25 Southern_Gentlem    our main server definitley need to be backedup especially if any changes are to be made (any chance they may be accidently taken out like almost happened this past week
Apr 30 22:26:36 Southern_Gentlem    our main server sdefinitley need to be backedup especially if any changes are to be made (any chance they may be accidently taken out like almost happened this past week
Apr 30 22:26:39 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 22:26:51 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:27:03 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:27:14 BobJensen    Yes UNity01 will be backed up at least once a week and before any major work is done
Apr 30 22:27:22 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:27:26 Sonar_Guy    ?
Apr 30 22:27:30 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:27:44 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 22:28:55 Sonar_Guy    Is there any way to rsync unity01 daily to another box to ensure no more than 24 hours of work is lost? With many people working on the server I see this as a possible issue.
Apr 30 22:28:58 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 22:29:11 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:29:19 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:31:07 daMaestro    ok so sorry about the PATH issue.. but how was this such a big deal? did the server really have issues from this? also, I am not as skilled at ldap as I would like to be; it was just flat out easier for me to rebuild the ldap. I don't know how to move the accounts from their old location "people" to "plonepeople" to allow for not needing to customize pam/nss to look in the correct location.. I found it easier to customize plone for this
Apr 30 22:31:58 daMaestro    not require previous knowledge that our 'system accounts' are located 'here' and setup the system to auth to that location
Apr 30 22:32:01 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:32:04 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 22:32:14 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:32:15 BobJensen    Sonar_Guy: We can look at such an option for backing up yes
Apr 30 22:33:00 Southern_Gentlem    !
Apr 30 22:33:04 BobJensen    daMaestro: the problem is we did not know what had happened when root's path is modified to leave out */sbin I wonder what has happened
Apr 30 22:33:17 daMaestro    *and there was a new version for FC5 (we were using the FC4 packages)
Apr 30 22:33:44 BobJensen    daMaestro: also the fact the /home/<username>/bin was included was looking like a hack attempt
Apr 30 22:33:54 rjune    !
Apr 30 22:34:31 BobJensen    daMaestro: we did what we thought (well what I thought) was needed at the time to secure our assets
Apr 30 22:34:46 BobJensen    daMaestro: You can not fault us for that
Apr 30 22:34:59 daMaestro    BobJensen, i don't we have already discussed that
Apr 30 22:35:12 daMaestro    BobJensen, I realize I screwed up.. but we didn't almost loose the server
Apr 30 22:35:15 BobJensen    daMaestro: I am sorry I did not have more time available to clear up the situation when we found out what had happened
Apr 30 22:35:18 daMaestro    it was a simple mistake
Apr 30 22:35:36 daMaestro    but i understand.. we can move on
Apr 30 22:35:44 BobJensen    right, but you brought it up, I was not going to
Apr 30 22:35:46 Sonar_Gal    ok lets get this meeting finnished
Apr 30 22:35:51 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:35:55 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 22:35:56 Sonar_Guy    daMaestro: My question was not pointed toward you or what happened.  It is just an obvious question based on having numerous people work on a server to preserver the work of everybody.  It was not an issue what happended and please do not take it personnally.  I make lots of mistakes that is the reason I brought it up!!
Apr 30 22:36:06 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 22:36:12 Southern_Gentlem    daMaestro,  and the point is we need to keep up2date backups in case an innocent mistake takes out the server we can recover quickly as possible
Apr 30 22:36:15 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Southern_Gentlem
Apr 30 22:36:26 Southern_Gentlem    eof
Apr 30 22:36:29 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to rjune
Apr 30 22:36:43 rjune    easiest way to modify the LDAP server en mass like that is to do slapcat > file then modify the data,  wipe the db, then use the proper tool to import it back in
Apr 30 22:36:58 rjune    slapadd I think
Apr 30 22:37:02 rjune    EOF
Apr 30 22:37:04 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:37:11 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:37:42 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:38:24 daMaestro    rjune, flat out it was easier to rebuild.. I had to redesign it. I was not expecting on having to run system accounts and plone on the same ldap server.. and had even planned to use openldap .. it was a better choice to rebuild FDS for the new design to be able to support everything we wanted to do
Apr 30 22:38:44 daMaestro    rjune, i would like some help.. and I was aware I could export the accounts and change the data
Apr 30 22:39:01 daMaestro    however there were many factors.. such as me screwing up the PATH
Apr 30 22:39:02 rjune    I'll help where I can.
Apr 30 22:39:06 daMaestro    among other things
Apr 30 22:39:48 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:39:49 daMaestro    to put my mind at rest.. I just rebuilt it.. it might have not been the _best_ solution.. but everything is online now
Apr 30 22:39:54 daMaestro    and that is a good thing
Apr 30 22:39:56 daMaestro    eof
Apr 30 22:39:58 rjune    ok
Apr 30 22:39:59 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:40:22 BobJensen    I am starting the first install of the updated ISO on a VM now
Apr 30 22:40:25 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:40:39 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 22:40:40 Sonar_Guy    daMaestro: you did not screw up the path, the error was in the how-to and it has since been updated.
Apr 30 22:40:42 Sonar_Guy    EOF
Apr 30 22:41:41 Sonar_Gal    ok is there anything else that needs to be discussed tonight?
Apr 30 22:42:31 *    BobJensen shakes his head no
Apr 30 22:42:40 Sonar_Gal    hehe
Apr 30 22:43:34 daMaestro    !
Apr 30 22:43:40 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to daMaestro
Apr 30 22:43:45 Sonar_Guy    !
Apr 30 22:43:57 daMaestro    should we install the wiki page support? just to test out what it works like on lone?
Apr 30 22:43:59 daMaestro    plone*
Apr 30 22:44:10 Southern_Gentlem    -1
Apr 30 22:44:28 Sonar_Gal    -1
Apr 30 22:44:42 daMaestro    +1
Apr 30 22:44:47 BobJensen    -1
Apr 30 22:44:52 sonarguy    -1
Apr 30 22:44:52 BobJensen    !
Apr 30 22:45:18 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to Sonar_Guy
Apr 30 22:45:20 Sonar_Guy    daMaestro: https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2006-April/msg01417.html
Apr 30 22:45:23 Sonar_Guy    eof
Apr 30 22:45:30 *    Sonar_Gal gives the floor to BobJensen
Apr 30 22:45:36 BobJensen    I flipping hate Wiki, want as little to do with it as I can, I use it on FP.o as it is what sis available
Apr 30 22:45:46 BobJensen    EOF
Apr 30 22:46:36 Sonar_Gal    If there is nothing else, I will close the meeting.
Apr 30 22:46:56 BobJensen    hell close pandora's box while you are at it....
Apr 30 22:47:00 BobJensen    hehehe
Apr 30 22:47:01 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close