Meeting Minutes for 2008-08-10

Aug 10 19:00:37 <Sonar_Gal>    http://fedoraunity.org/fup/meeting-guidelines/  for anyone who is not use to our meeting system
Aug 10 19:01:27 <Sonar_Gal>    Welcome to the monthly fedora-unity meeting
Aug 10 19:02:25 <Sonar_Gal>    #1 we need to get a to do list together again to keep up to date on what needs to be done or gets done
Aug 10 19:02:41 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:02:46 *    kanarip back
Aug 10 19:02:53 <Sonar_Gal>    even if this list is just threw the mailing lists
Aug 10 19:03:36 <Sonar_Gal>    ok kanarip what's the status on F8 re-spin so we can figure out where/what to do next
Aug 10 19:03:55 <kanarip>    default install requires 6 CDs :/
Aug 10 19:04:08 <VileGent>    !
Aug 10 19:04:42 *    Sonar_Gal gives VileGent the floor
Aug 10 19:06:05 <VileGent>    at this moment our current respin has 406MB of updates f8 gold has 724MB of updates, so if we only release a DVD spin it will help, but also at this late date in f8 lifespan i am for that
Aug 10 19:06:08 <VileGent>    eof
Aug 10 19:06:21 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:06:23 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:06:47 <Sonar_Gal>    and that is also less work for kanarip at this time of life span for fedora
Aug 10 19:07:02 <VileGent>    !
Aug 10 19:07:09 <Sonar_Gal>    ok I am going to open the floor there is only 4 of us here tonight
Aug 10 19:07:24 <kanarip>    ok, so, we can release the DVD
Aug 10 19:07:30 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:07:35 <VileGent>    i also consider this to be the LAST f8 re-spin
Aug 10 19:07:41 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:07:50 <Sonar_Gal>    when is EOL for f8
Aug 10 19:07:54 <kanarip>    although i'm frustrated having to drop features we've been pushing so hard within the FP itself
Aug 10 19:07:56 <Sonar_Guy>    yeah with only 3 - 4 months left this this should be the last
Aug 10 19:08:51 <VileGent>    kanarip but we are doing everything we can help on that front as well
Aug 10 19:08:52 <Sonar_Gal>    yes I agree if there is only 3 months left in F8 lifespan there is no reason people should be installing it after another month or so
Aug 10 19:10:09 <kanarip>    well, so?
Aug 10 19:10:10 <VileGent>    at this point release f8 dvd re-spins so all work can be on fixing the f9 cd issue which hopefully will help the fp cd issue
Aug 10 19:10:54 <Sonar_Gal>    \+1
Aug 10 19:11:01 <kanarip>    does fp have a cd issue as well?
Aug 10 19:11:09 <kanarip>    BINGO!
Aug 10 19:11:13 <VileGent>    f10A had cd issues
Aug 10 19:11:24 <kanarip>    drop the m-f shit of default groups in comps
Aug 10 19:11:53 <kanarip>    hell, even @legacy-back-to-the-20's-hardware-development-foo is a default group
Aug 10 19:12:05 <kanarip>    anaconda selects all those groups
Aug 10 19:12:49 <kanarip>    good thing to know, i had not done anything with alpha yet
Aug 10 19:13:38 <Sonar_Gal>    there is 1 other thing I wanted to add to this meeting, I no Bob does not agree, What about Google ads?
Aug 10 19:13:50 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:14:00 <VileGent>    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/10/Alpha/ReleaseNotes
Aug 10 19:14:13 <VileGent>    No Split Media Available
Aug 10 19:14:13 <VileGent>    There are no split-media CD installation sets of Fedora 10 Alpha available. This is a known issue and is already being worked on.
Aug 10 19:14:16 <Sonar_Guy>    My stepfather has them on only one medium traffic site and is making $60 per month
Aug 10 19:14:32 <kanarip>    VileGent, even the release notes passed me by ;-)
Aug 10 19:14:32 <Sonar_Guy>    on our site I could seed 3 - 4 times that
Aug 10 19:14:50 <kanarip>    we have statistics up and running btw
Aug 10 19:15:06 <kanarip>    http://jigdo-stats.fedoraunity.org/fedorasolved.org for example
Aug 10 19:15:09 <Sonar_Guy>    and howmany hits per day are we sseing?
Aug 10 19:15:17 <kanarip>    we also have google analytics
Aug 10 19:15:33 <kanarip>    30k/day on fedorasolved.org alone, minimal
Aug 10 19:15:58 <Sonar_Guy>    Yup, that would make a pretty penny
Aug 10 19:16:14 <kanarip>    yes it would
Aug 10 19:16:22 <VileGent>    i am for googleads on our main sites
Aug 10 19:16:40 <VileGent>    i ask that we not put it on fpaste.org
Aug 10 19:16:44 <Sonar_Guy>    as am I as long as they are pc or linux related adds, that is my only stipulation
Aug 10 19:16:47 <Sonar_Guy>    VileGent: I agree
Aug 10 19:16:50 <kanarip>    we can put them on the right side just before the portlets or just after the portlets, or on top
Aug 10 19:17:15 <kanarip>    (no stats on fpaste.org btw)
Aug 10 19:17:17 <Sonar_Guy>    I am gonna make a quick call
Aug 10 19:17:28 <Sonar_Guy>    and see how many hits he has per day
Aug 10 19:18:06 <VileGent>    also this week i will call the lawyer and setup an appointment
Aug 10 19:18:12 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:18:38 <VileGent>    he had went of vacation then had a death in the family
Aug 10 19:19:00 <VileGent>    suppose to be back this week
Aug 10 19:19:27 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Aug 10 19:19:46 <VileGent>    license on the websites needs to be changed
Aug 10 19:20:03 <Sonar_Gal>    What we were thinking is even if we can only make 100 a month on google ads it would help offset the costs of everything for the sites
Aug 10 19:20:22 <VileGent>    yep
Aug 10 19:20:44 <VileGent>    what does the server cost 75$ at the most
Aug 10 19:21:10 <kanarip>    ok, i've created some stats on fpaste.org
Aug 10 19:21:23 <kanarip>    and to be honest, it's insignificant to our other sites
Aug 10 19:21:47 <VileGent>    which is really surprising
Aug 10 19:21:59 <VileGent>    cause people post to it all day long
Aug 10 19:22:09 <kanarip>    not really, it's been used ~4000 times over the year it has been running
Aug 10 19:22:34 <VileGent>    not a year yet is it
Aug 10 19:22:45 <kanarip>    ~a year
Aug 10 19:22:59 <VileGent>    ok
Aug 10 19:23:07 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Aug 10 19:23:19 <Sonar_Guy>    they are averaging only 3400 page hits per day.
Aug 10 19:23:32 <Sonar_Gal>    and making 60$ a month
Aug 10 19:23:52 <kanarip>    i make ~$2.75 in a year with www.kanarip.com btw
Aug 10 19:23:58 <kanarip>    *grin*
Aug 10 19:24:05 <Sonar_Guy>    and they get paid out $125 every 2 month
Aug 10 19:24:43 <Sonar_Guy>    so we could almost pay for our hosting every month with the ads
Aug 10 19:24:49 <kanarip>    we should just do it and save the money to pay us all a cruise in the caribean
Aug 10 19:24:55 <Sonar_Guy>    lol
Aug 10 19:24:59 <Sonar_Gal>    lol
Aug 10 19:25:32 <Sonar_Guy>    I say we do it and to hell with the rest.
Aug 10 19:25:35 <Sonar_Guy>    nman64: ping
Aug 10 19:26:08 <foolish>    Screw the caribean, let's go to Vegas and put it all on black
Aug 10 19:26:14 <Sonar_Guy>    lol
Aug 10 19:26:21 <Sonar_Gal>    lol
Aug 10 19:26:52 <Sonar_Guy>    foolish: do you see any issues with using google adsense adds on the fedoraunity sites if it offsets the costs of hosting?
Aug 10 19:27:00 <foolish>    None what so ever
Aug 10 19:27:15 <Sonar_Guy>    just not on fpaste.
Aug 10 19:27:22 <Sonar_Guy>    that would be wrong.
Aug 10 19:27:38 <Sonar_Gal>    ok then I say we need to do this.
Aug 10 19:27:59 <foolish>    I think we should do it on fpaste.org as well
Aug 10 19:28:03 <Sonar_Gal>    no
Aug 10 19:28:05 <Sonar_Guy>    kanarip: do you need damaestro to do that or can you,
Aug 10 19:28:08 <Sonar_Gal>    No ads on fpaste
Aug 10 19:28:19 <kanarip>    i bet damaestro needs to look into a plone project plugin module that he prefers to deploy from out of a buildout
Aug 10 19:28:20 <Sonar_Guy>    foolish: no cause we tell everybody to paste to fpaste.
Aug 10 19:28:39 <foolish>    That would generate a lot of money?
Aug 10 19:28:54 <foolish>    or it would fuck up the adsense stuff and show ads related to peoples pastes?
Aug 10 19:28:57 <kanarip>    foolish, no, only ~300 a day
Aug 10 19:29:03 <kanarip>    ~300 hits, that is
Aug 10 19:29:17 <Sonar_Gal>    but with all the traffic to the unity sites that should help off-set costs instead of all of us pulling out the check-books
Aug 10 19:29:19 <kanarip>    compated to ~30k on fedorasolved.org as an example
Aug 10 19:29:21 <Sonar_Guy>    I say we put them on the rest of the sites
Aug 10 19:29:45 <foolish>    ah, if there's no money in it, then it's no point.
Aug 10 19:30:17 <VileGent>    foolish,  not on fpaste is another agrument we can use to use that instead of pastebin.org and an agrument why we need ads o our other sites
Aug 10 19:30:22 <kanarip>    the entire point of fpaste.org is also, that is has no ads
Aug 10 19:30:34 <Sonar_Guy>    so we have a majority of the people for then
Aug 10 19:30:45 <VileGent>    and the format is better than pastebin.org
Aug 10 19:30:49 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:30:54 <VileGent>    +1
Aug 10 19:30:56 <kanarip>    +1
Aug 10 19:30:57 <Sonar_Guy>    _1
Aug 10 19:31:00 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:31:14 <Sonar_Gal>    Do we need a update meeting in 2 weeks to see where we are with the NPO and the ads
Aug 10 19:31:28 <foolish>    +1
Aug 10 19:31:31 <kanarip>    and the package ordering!
Aug 10 19:31:31 <VileGent>    same time next month
Aug 10 19:31:35 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Aug 10 19:31:41 <Sonar_Guy>    works for me
Aug 10 19:31:51 <kanarip>    it seems pungi is still using anaconda's package ordering
Aug 10 19:32:05 <Sonar_Gal>    yeah don't want to ruin VileGent and my b-days with meetings  :-)
Aug 10 19:32:07 <kanarip>    same time next month? 2nd monday in september?
Aug 10 19:32:09 <Sonar_Guy>    kanarip: so can you go forward with the adsense stuff?  or do you want to get with jon?
Aug 10 19:32:28 <VileGent>    2nd sunday yeah
Aug 10 19:32:45 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:32:48 <kanarip>    sept. 7th is bad for me
Aug 10 19:32:59 <kanarip>    i'm at FUDCon that weekend
Aug 10 19:33:06 <Sonar_Guy>    kanarip: 14 sep
Aug 10 19:33:08 <VileGent>    how about the first sunday than
Aug 10 19:33:09 <xaphir>    what if we were to sell fedoraunity respins on cheapcd's for some extra support money?
Aug 10 19:33:11 <Sonar_Gal>    kanarip, that's fine 2nd sunday is the 14th
Aug 10 19:33:22 <kanarip>    i'll be up late, no problem, but i'll be drinking a hell of a lot more then i am right now
Aug 10 19:33:37 <kanarip>    ohw, then i guess it's ok ;-)
Aug 10 19:33:44 <Sonar_Gal>    hehe
Aug 10 19:33:53 <VileGent>    xaphir,  one thing we can look at after getting the npo setup
Aug 10 19:34:06 <kanarip>    (or use fedora emea to carry the money)
Aug 10 19:34:20 <Sonar_Gal>    ok so next meeting is Sept 14th.  What time for the meeting?  I no this is kinda late for kanarip and others
Aug 10 19:35:08 *    VileGent is good with any time afternoon
Aug 10 19:35:42 <Sonar_Gal>    This time is actually the best of the day
Aug 10 19:36:21 <Sonar_Guy>    VileGent kanarip what about 3pm our time,
Aug 10 19:36:36 <Sonar_Guy>    as in edt, that would make it 4 hours earlier for you
Aug 10 19:37:22 <kanarip>    seriously, 1am is not much of a problem for me
Aug 10 19:37:39 <Sonar_Guy>    yeah but I hate keeping you up when meetings run long
Aug 10 19:38:05 <kanarip>    you hate me drinking during the meetings don't you ;-)
Aug 10 19:38:10 <Sonar_Guy>    nope
Aug 10 19:38:15 <Sonar_Gal>    kanarip, nope
Aug 10 19:38:30 <Sonar_Gal>    I still want to know where mine is
Aug 10 19:38:34 <kanarip>    that's true, if the meeting is running late, i'm running late
Aug 10 19:39:11 <Sonar_Gal>    well this is up to you.  If this time is good for you that's fine but if a few hours earlier is better speak up
Aug 10 19:40:22 <kanarip>    i'm fine for now, might need to revisit in some months with me possibly going to another job but i'm ok for now
Aug 10 19:40:30 <Sonar_Guy>    ok
Aug 10 19:40:32 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Aug 10 19:40:42 <Sonar_Gal>    Then Next meeting Sept 14th same time
Aug 10 19:40:52 <Sonar_Gal>    Anything else need to be addressed?
Aug 10 19:40:58 <VileGent>    ok are we going to cover the licensing issues on the websites
Aug 10 19:41:09 <Dp67>    If I may ask, my concern is right now Fedora has graciously allowed the use of the Fedora name and logo. Would that releationship between the FU and Fedora change if the sites were to start making income? Has this issue been discussed with Fedora/Red Hat?
Aug 10 19:41:26 <Sonar_Guy>    Dp67: no
Aug 10 19:41:30 <kanarip>    Dp67, no
Aug 10 19:41:32 <Sonar_Guy>    it would not change anything
Aug 10 19:41:37 <VileGent>    and doesnt need to be
Aug 10 19:42:15 <Dp67>    ok
Aug 10 19:42:47 <Sonar_Guy>    VileGent: as far as I am concerned all the content writers have been notified and tomorrow we change the licensing
Aug 10 19:42:54 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:42:56 <VileGent>    +1
Aug 10 19:43:08 <Sonar_Guy>    the post to the mailing list covered all we need to do.
Aug 10 19:43:42 *    VileGent makes the motion that the sites go back to the OPL license without restrictions
Aug 10 19:43:45 <Sonar_Guy>    nobody has voiced any concern during the meeting so that is a dead issue
Aug 10 19:43:47 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Aug 10 19:43:50 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Aug 10 19:43:54 <VileGent>    +1
Aug 10 19:43:57 <kanarip>    +1
Aug 10 19:44:05 <kanarip>    more freedom ftw!
Aug 10 19:44:10 <Sonar_Guy>    anybody else want to weigh in?
Aug 10 19:44:20 <VileGent>    Dp67,  you can vote
Aug 10 19:44:26 <Sonar_Guy>    Ok the +1s have it
Aug 10 19:44:30 <Dp67>    +1
Aug 10 19:44:31 <foolish>    +1
Aug 10 19:44:35 <Sonar_Guy>    we will make the change tomorrow.
Aug 10 19:44:43 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Aug 10 19:44:54 <VileGent>    jon can do that and the other stuff at the same time
Aug 10 19:45:06 <Sonar_Gal>    Anything else need to be addressed?
Aug 10 19:45:20 <kanarip>    nothing for me
Aug 10 19:45:31 <Sonar_Guy>    VileGent: are you going to get in touch with jon?
Aug 10 19:45:53 <VileGent>    he will be around shorty
Aug 10 19:45:56 <VileGent>    shortly
Aug 10 19:46:18 <Sonar_Guy>    ok I will most likely be out for the rest of the evening.
Aug 10 19:46:32 <VileGent>    or i will catch him the first of the week
Aug 10 19:46:51 <Sonar_Gal>    ok anything else or should I close
Aug 10 19:46:57 <kanarip>    close +1
Aug 10 19:47:01 <Sonar_Guy>    +1 close
Aug 10 19:47:02 <VileGent>    close so we can post the minutes
Aug 10 19:47:08 *    Sonar_Gal now calls this meeting to a close.  Thanks to everyone who attened, next meeting is Sept 14th at 23:00 UTC