Meeting Minutes for 2008-09-21

Sep 21 19:00:45 *    Sonar_Gal now calls the monthly fedora unity meeting to order
Sep 21 19:01:04 <Sonar_Gal>    This is going to be an open floor meeting.
Sep 21 19:01:09 <kanarip>    mind if i still don't get it?
Sep 21 19:01:19 <kanarip>    announcement!
Sep 21 19:01:34 <zcat>    kanarip, (a)round -> square
Sep 21 19:01:35 <kanarip>    i haven't had to reboot  or unfreeze the mailserver in about 1.5-2 weeks now!
Sep 21 19:01:59 *    Sonar_Gal applaudes
Sep 21 19:02:42 <kanarip>    can i do another announcement?
Sep 21 19:02:45 <Sonar_Guy>    Yeah but we still need the plone captcha installed on the feedback
Sep 21 19:02:55 <Sonar_Gal>    kanarip, yes open floor
Sep 21 19:02:57 <kanarip>    http://kanarip.livejournal.com/4078.html
Sep 21 19:03:02 <Sonar_Guy>    for the site per the bug I filed
Sep 21 19:03:09 <kanarip>    dunno if you all caught it ;-)
Sep 21 19:03:27 <kanarip>    Sonar_Guy, yeah.. plone... captcha... i'm losing it with zope/plone
Sep 21 19:03:40 <zcat>    kanarip, i didn't quite understand. it's a minimal distro where the main feature is anaconda patches?
Sep 21 19:03:57 <kanarip>    zcat, the main feature is it being "Based on Fedora"
Sep 21 19:03:59 <Sonar_Guy>    Yeah i am ready to go back to Joomla.  Just so somebody other than damaestro can do the work
Sep 21 19:04:51 <zcat>    kanarip, i realize... but every distro needs distinguishing features
Sep 21 19:05:13 <kanarip>    zcat, so this is the one distinguishing feature for orange sombrero
Sep 21 19:05:38 <kanarip>    Sonar_Guy, fwiw, my anti-spam setup does not let these feedback mails end up in my inbox
Sep 21 19:06:16 <Sonar_Guy>    yeah I did that too but found it catching messages it should not also.
Sep 21 19:06:20 <kanarip>    i guess all it takes is a filtering rule or some ~/.spamassassin/user_prefs for the user zimbra scans the mail with
Sep 21 19:07:15 <kanarip>    Sonar_Guy, true, i just found one in my spam folder as well
Sep 21 19:07:33 <Sonar_Guy>    Yup, and I can not run spamassassin as it is not my server.
Sep 21 19:07:47 <kanarip>    reason: date in future, haha
Sep 21 19:08:06 <kanarip>    we can't run spamassassin because spam filtering is internal to zimbra i guess
Sep 21 19:08:08 <kanarip>    amavisd
Sep 21 19:08:27 <kanarip>    (which then again is spamassassin, i just can't get any custom rulesets to load)
Sep 21 19:08:34 <Sonar_Guy>    lol
Sep 21 19:09:11 <--    wb0tra_f8 has quit ("So long and thanks for all the fish.")
Sep 21 19:09:24 <kanarip>    zcat, i'm sorry to disappoint, but really the only thing Orange Sombrero does is *say* "Based on Fedora" and that's it
Sep 21 19:09:40 <Sonar_Gal>    What else needs to be discussed tonight?  Re-spin? Anything else?
Sep 21 19:09:51 <zcat>    kanarip, hah. ok. thanks for making it clear.
Sep 21 19:09:52 <kanarip>    Re-Spin... I guess we can attempt one
Sep 21 19:10:08 <kanarip>    even without the Everything/ and/or Fedora/ repos being resigned
Sep 21 19:10:12 <Sonar_Guy>    are the packages all updated yet?
Sep 21 19:10:15 <Sonar_Guy>    ah ok
Sep 21 19:10:24 <kanarip>    as long as fedora-release-9.5-transition makes it in, and newkey updates
Sep 21 19:10:45 <kanarip>    (this is what i did with orange sombrero as well and it seems to *just* work)
Sep 21 19:10:54 <Sonar_Guy>    so so target that for next weekend?
Sep 21 19:10:54 <kanarip>    on another note...
Sep 21 19:11:01 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Sep 21 19:11:04 <kanarip>    do we dare call it Fedora 9.1?
Sep 21 19:11:21 <Sonar_Guy>    Umm, not my call.
Sep 21 19:11:29 <kanarip>    install/upgrade does not require us to
Sep 21 19:11:36 <Sonar_Guy>    If you deem it necessarry go for it.
Sep 21 19:11:40 <kanarip>    and the running system will just think it is 9
Sep 21 19:11:53 <kanarip>    so there is no reason to
Sep 21 19:11:58 <Sonar_Guy>    ok
Sep 21 19:12:00 <EvilBob>    I do not like .1
Sep 21 19:12:07 <kanarip>    other then *stab*stab* see what you couldn't do we just did it
Sep 21 19:12:14 <EvilBob>    I like the dates we have used to this point
Sep 21 19:12:27 <kanarip>    EvilBob, sure we'll keep the dates
Sep 21 19:13:00 <kanarip>    EvilBob, the .1 minor release would just mark there is no GPG key transition required for it
Sep 21 19:13:04 <kanarip>    (or something like that)
Sep 21 19:13:27 <EvilBob>    OK super
Sep 21 19:13:32 <kanarip>    again, it's not required so i see absolutely no point other then the *stab*stab*
Sep 21 19:14:29 <kanarip>    ok so i guess we won't do 9.1
Sep 21 19:14:56 <EvilBob>    as long as we have a date I don't care
Sep 21 19:15:01 <zcat>    f9 newkey (in the title)
Sep 21 19:15:01 <kanarip>    it would have made sense if the transition was... troublesome for users, but it appears it is not as big a deal (right?)
Sep 21 19:15:17 <Sonar_Guy>    zcat: +1
Sep 21 19:15:24 <Sonar_Gal>    zcat, +1
Sep 21 19:15:33 <Sonar_Guy>    so there is no confusion
Sep 21 19:15:53 <kanarip>    alrighty
Sep 21 19:15:57 <kanarip>    sounds reasonable
Sep 21 19:16:03 <EvilBob>    yeah newkey or a "+" with an explanation?
Sep 21 19:16:39 <zcat>    kanarip, in addition, i don't suppose it's worthwhile for you to mod anaconda to popup a notification of the newkey?
Sep 21 19:17:01 <zcat>    ala the "this is a testing version" popup for alpha/beta versions of fedora
Sep 21 19:17:17 <kanarip>    Fedora-Unity-9-20081024-Fedora's-5th-birthday-this-is-the-release-release-engineering-couldn't-do-i386-DVD.iso
Sep 21 19:17:29 <kanarip>    hmmm, 09 btw
Sep 21 19:17:35 <Sonar_Guy>    lol
Sep 21 19:17:45 <kanarip>    zcat, i'm not sure how that benefits the user?
Sep 21 19:18:16 <kanarip>    i could do it, but it will not be a translated or localized message
Sep 21 19:18:39 <zcat>    true. and it's a roadblock for automated installs
Sep 21 19:18:48 <zcat>    nvm. just an idea.
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Sep 21 19:20:04 <kanarip>    does betanag message pop up during automated installs as well?
Sep 21 19:20:55 <zcat>    perhaps there's a way to skip it in kickstart.
Sep 21 19:21:07 <EvilBob>    Fedora-Unity-9+-20081024
Sep 21 19:21:24 <kanarip>    i think it's taking into account whether you are doing a kickstart install, but i'm not sure
Sep 21 19:22:23 <kanarip>    EvilBob, i'm afraid the + is going to nuke jigdo again
Sep 21 19:22:33 <kanarip>    i could try though
Sep 21 19:22:49 <kanarip>    i think Fedora-Unity-9-NEWKEY-20080924 ?
Sep 21 19:23:54 <Sonar_Guy>    +1
Sep 21 19:23:55 <Sonar_Gal>    +1
Sep 21 19:24:10 <kanarip>    i'll whip it up tomorrow, no problem
Sep 21 19:24:29 *    kanarip thinks of a number of problems standing in the way right now
Sep 21 19:25:02 <Sonar_Gal>    kanarip,  if you have to wait a few more days to make sure they are done the updating of the keys
Sep 21 19:25:46 <EvilBob>    kanarip: that is right never mind
Sep 21 19:25:48 <kanarip>    i think it's gonna be a matter of another week or so at least
Sep 21 19:26:03 <kanarip>    wait for the entire resigning?
Sep 21 19:26:05 <Sonar_Gal>    then wait till they are done it's not a rush
Sep 21 19:26:14 <kanarip>    OK
Sep 21 19:26:29 <EvilBob>    are they resigning "Fedora and Everything"?
Sep 21 19:26:42 <kanarip>    yes
Sep 21 19:26:44 <Sonar_Gal>    yes
Sep 21 19:27:02 *    EvilBob sleeps a lot
Sep 21 19:27:06 <kanarip>    bug #998 prevents that from becoming a problem for new installations, they say
Sep 21 19:27:35 <kanarip>    to which i said mirrors may have excluded releases/9/ from syncing time and time again, because that is supposed to never change
Sep 21 19:28:03 <kanarip>    still they insist on putting the newly signed packages in releases/9/Fedora/i386/os.newkey/
Sep 21 19:28:14 <EvilBob>    lol
Sep 21 19:28:16 <kanarip>    anyway, sorta besides the point
Sep 21 19:28:52 <Sonar_Guy>    lol
Sep 21 19:29:17 <Sonar_Gal>    ok anything else need to be discussed tonight
Sep 21 19:29:26 <EvilBob>    I have a statement
Sep 21 19:29:28 <kanarip>    ok, so far so good, respinning next weekend or just after next weekend when they have resigned *everything* sounds like a plan
Sep 21 19:29:29 <Sonar_Gal>    ok
Sep 21 19:30:08 <EvilBob>    there has been talk about putting advertising on our sites. I know we would like to "raise money" but I feel this is the wrong way to do it.
Sep 21 19:30:35 <Sonar_Guy>    then attend the damn meetings.
Sep 21 19:30:41 <EvilBob>    OUr sites have been ad free and we all hate sites with ads
Sep 21 19:30:52 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: sorry some times family comes first
Sep 21 19:31:02 <Sonar_Guy>    No we dont. You do.  Every body else voted for it.
Sep 21 19:31:58 <EvilBob>    Most ads are blocked by ad blocker software so I really don't see how this will help us a lot, just food for thought
Sep 21 19:32:05 <kanarip>    well, let's be realistic here
Sep 21 19:32:08 <zcat>    kanarip, btw, would like to see the updates-testing kernel in updates before a respin. as well as the recent xorg problems fixed
Sep 21 19:32:19 <kanarip>    we do hate ads if they appear right in your face and distract from the content
Sep 21 19:32:22 <zcat>    EvilBob, most adblockers leave google adwords alone
Sep 21 19:32:29 <Sonar_Gal>    I thought the reason we went to 1 meeting a month was so everyone could make arrangements and attend an hour meeting Guess I was wrong
Sep 21 19:32:41 <--    Sonar_Gal (n=Andrea@fedora/SonarGal) has left #fedora-unity ("Leaving")
Sep 21 19:32:58 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Gal: well when that week conflicts with something unplanned...
Sep 21 19:33:12 <kanarip>    family does come first that's understandable
Sep 21 19:33:39 <EvilBob>    forget I said anything, I assumed I was able to express my opinion on it because I was not here, guess I was wrong
Sep 21 19:33:41 <Sonar_Guy>    Hmm, last I checked we had a mailing list for those that can not attend.
Sep 21 19:34:50 <EvilBob>    motion to close the meeting
Sep 21 19:34:55 <kanarip>    EvilBob, could you come up with an alternative solution in order to raise money?
Sep 21 19:35:32 <EvilBob>    I never fucking said "No way we are not doing it" I only offered my opinion... sorry to twist some people up
Sep 21 19:36:03 <Sonar_Guy>    No what twists us up is waiting a month to make an issue out of it.
Sep 21 19:36:07 <EvilBob>    I will go back to doing things that are fun
Sep 21 19:36:12 <kanarip>    relax guys
Sep 21 19:36:18 <--    EvilBob (n=bjensen@fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen) has left #Fedora-Unity ("Leaving")
Sep 21 19:36:43 -->    EvilBob (n=bjensen@fedora/pdpc.sustaining.BobJensen) has joined #Fedora-Unity
Sep 21 19:36:46 <EvilBob>    grr
Sep 21 19:37:00 <EvilBob>    tried to undock the tap
Sep 21 19:37:18 <EvilBob>    tab
Sep 21 19:37:21 -->    zeebot (n=supybot@pdpc/supporter/active/zcat) has joined #fedora-unity
Sep 21 19:37:23 *    zcat throws bacon at evilbobster
Sep 21 19:38:16 <zcat>    poor zeebot. my newark linode VPS had issues this weekend. i report the I/O errors early, but they didn't replace the host disk until it got very bad.
Sep 21 19:38:25 *    Sonar_Guy seconds EvilBobs motion.
Sep 21 19:38:37 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: I was not even sure it was "last month" as far as I knew it could have been two months
Sep 21 19:38:58 *    kanarip thirds(?) motion
Sep 21 19:38:58 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: I just saw something about it one day and forgot to comment at the time
Sep 21 19:39:39 *    EvilBob shrugs
Sep 21 19:39:46 <kanarip>    but...
Sep 21 19:39:47 <Sonar_Guy>    EvilBob: well do you have an alternative?
Sep 21 19:40:12 <Sonar_Guy>    because the NPO is not moving at this point again.
Sep 21 19:40:19 <kanarip>    what kind of google ads revenue did we calculate from the number of hits on our sites?
Sep 21 19:40:19 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: I don't at the tip of my fingers, I don't even know if anything else was looked at
Sep 21 19:40:22 <Sonar_Guy>    so donations are out.
Sep 21 19:40:35 <kanarip>    Sonar_Guy, have we heard from Southern_Gentlem about the NPO?
Sep 21 19:41:03 <Sonar_Guy>    nothing other than repeated statements that he needs to talk to the attorney.
Sep 21 19:41:15 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: like I said I just wanted to comment that is all, I was not here, I don't know the details, I don't even know if I saw a meeting log of the discussion honestly
Sep 21 19:41:19 <kanarip>    right that was last month's meeting?
Sep 21 19:41:36 <Sonar_Guy>    EvilBob: the logs are there.  Yes kanarip
Sep 21 19:41:46 <EvilBob>    Sonar_Guy: I do not doubt that
Sep 21 19:44:19 <Sonar_Guy>    Is there anything else?  Or are we ready to close the meeting?
Sep 21 19:44:29 <kanarip>    i think we can close the meeting
Sep 21 19:44:29 <EvilBob>    wrap it up
Sep 21 19:44:51 <kanarip>    would you relay apologies to Sonar_Gal on my behalf, please?
Sep 21 19:45:01 <Sonar_Guy>    Ok I guess I will call the meeting closed since Sonar_Gal is not here.
Sep 21 19:45:20 <Sonar_Guy>    ** Metting Closed **